Jose Guerena Affidavit Released

[mrjarrell]

Found this embedded in a new Will Grigg article. Haven't had a chance to read through the entire thing yet, but what I did read in the few pages looks like they had a broad net to cast. They were looking for stuff that anyone would have.

PCSO Search Warrant Affidavit - Jose Guerena Shooting

Here's Will Grigg's latest on the matter.

Pro Libertate: Clarence Dupnik's Death Squad

It doesn't look kindly on Sheriff Dupnik and his men. 50 operations a year seems like 49 too many.

 

[jeremy]

Uhhhhh....

What exactly were they fishing for?!

 

[misconfig]

Uhhhhh....

What exactly were they fishing for?!

Probably all of those scary little dried up plants that people smoke. GOOD THING THEY TOOK ANOTHER DRUG USER OFF OF THE STREET.

Even though they found no drugs.

 

[hornadylnl]

I haven't read the links yet but have to get in before the "it doesn't matter how crappy or bogus the affidavit was, it's the judges fault for signing off on it" crowd.

 

[mrjarrell]

Uhhhhh....

What exactly were they fishing for?!

Anything and everything, is what it looks like. Having read it all now, it looks like a drug warrant, (not a home invasion thing, as they lied about) and it does look like they've lied in the affidavit, about Guerena's background. The affidavit says he was arrested multiple times for pot related crimes. I somehow doubt this is so, since he had been serving in the USMC and they have some reasonably strict rules about being in the corps with drug arrests on your record. Now we just need to see the warrant. This still stinks to high heaven and the affidavit doesn't look to change that.

 

[T.Lex]

Dammit.

Just read the PCA. It actually looks like a pretty good investigation for a PD. Jose's brother is bad news, and probably the dealer. He also probably used Jose's name - at least to title the vehicles, and maybe even for the prior arrests. I would be interested to know the timing of when that happened and when he was in the military.

The brother has blood on his hands IMHO.

Don't get me wrong - the PD screwed the pooch on the entry. But, the investigation was above-average IMHO. (That's not necessarily saying a whole lot. Local PD don't do nearly as good a job on these things as the feds.)

 

[T.Lex]

xx

 

[jeremy]

Don't get me wrong - the PD screwed the pooch on the entry. But, the investigation was above-average IMHO. (That's not necessarily saying a whole lot. Local PD don't do nearly as good a job on these things as the feds.)

And the Feds don't do that good of a job either...

 

[E5RANGER375]

hide yo kids, hide your wife, and yo dog too, cause they be killin erry body up in here.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why does the screen freeze when I try to scroll down?

I do not understand this neck beard stuff. Is there another website where one can view this???

 

[mrjarrell]

Why does the screen freeze when I try to scroll down?

I do not understand this neck beard stuff. Is there another website where one can view this???

What browser are you using? I'm using Firefox and not having any issues with it. It's a bit slow perhaps, but not unreadable. Not sure of any other sources, but I'll look.

 

[jeremy]

Dammit.

Just read the PCA. It actually looks like a pretty good investigation for a PD. Jose's brother is bad news, and probably the dealer. He also probably used Jose's name - at least to title the vehicles, and maybe even for the prior arrests. I would be interested to know the timing of when that happened and when he was in the military.

The brother has blood on his hands IMHO.

Possibly the Brother is a Scumbag, how does that Justify Kicking a Relatives Door?! I just cannot make that reach myself...

 

[T.Lex]

As to Jose, property totaling several hundred thousand dollars were titled in his name. More than he could afford on what he was making. He was observed with his brother - who had been found in possession of drugs - and his brother's vehicles were observed at his house. He also (supposedly) had the prior arrest for drug-related crimes. ("Ye shall be known by the company you keep." comes to mind.)

As probable cause for a search warrant goes, that's not too bad.

Again, I'm not talking about the legalities (or reasonableness) of the entry - just the legal proceedings leading up to it.

My personal opinion (subject to more information) is that Jose was not involved, and his scumbag brother used his name/identity.

@KF - My browser was giving me fits with it, too. I found it easier to use a facebook account and download it.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

So all of you that have a brother or a cousin that's into drugs or no good or something... have no rights and deserve to have your doors kicked in. Wow.

After a quick read - it sounds like a) presumed guilt by being related and b) horrible execution of the warrant. Dupnik and his crew should be out of jobs at a minimum... and arguably worse.

 

[jeremy]

As to Jose, property totaling several hundred thousand dollars were titled in his name. More than he could afford on what he was making. He was observed with his brother - who had been found in possession of drugs - and his brother's vehicles were observed at his house. He also (supposedly) had the prior arrest for drug-related crimes.

So what I know Several Soldiers that have Property totaling over Several Hundred Thousand Dollars in their names. Hell at one point I was a Soldier like that. Did not realize it was a Crime to own more Property than you earn. I always thought it was just good purchasing...

("Ye shall be known by the company you keep." comes to mind.)

I also seem to remember something about rocks and glass houses too...

 

[bobzilla]

Wait.... so if your brother/sister/father/mother are bad people you are too? Or are you to cut family out and ignore them now if they participate in anything illegal?

 

[NYFelon]

good lord. They were looking for anything that anyone would have in their house. No wonder they "found everything they were looking for". Everything they were looking for would be in ALL OF OUR HOUSES.

That's like swearing out an affadavit for a search warrant saying "we believe, through investigation, that there is a floor at XXXX ILiveHere Street". This shiz is actually scary.

 

[T.Lex]

Yes, with modern intel techniques, if you know a drug dealer, you name is probably in some database somewhere. If you have more property than can be explained by public and semi-public information, and you interact with drug dealers while being surveilled by police, that could easily be probable cause to search your house. You could have some s'plainin' to do.

Welcome to the 21st Century, ladies. As probable cause goes, not much different from the 20th, 19th, or 18th, but... there you go. Only the techniques have changed.

If you know your family members are drug dealers, you roll the dice and take your chances.

I know I have family members who are not welcome at my home. F'em. If they want to F up their lives, that's their choice.

 

[jeremy]

Yes, with modern intel techniques, if you know a drug dealer, you name is probably in some database somewhere. If you have more property than can be explained by public and semi-public information, and you interact with drug dealers while being surveilled by police, that could easily be probable cause to search your house. You could have some s'plainin' to do.

Welcome to the 21st Century, ladies. As probable cause goes, not much different from the 20th, 19th, or 18th, but... there you go. Only the techniques have changed.

If you know your family members are drug dealers, you roll the dice and take your chances.

I know I have family members who are not welcome at my home. F'em. If they want to F up their lives, that's their choice.

Careful what doors you attempt to No-knock then is all I will say. As you are saying You are rolling the dice then...

 

[bobzilla]

Yes, with modern intel techniques, if you know a drug dealer, you name is probably in some database somewhere. If you have more property than can be explained by public and semi-public information, and you interact with drug dealers while being surveilled by police, that could easily be probable cause to search your house. You could have some s'plainin' to do.

Welcome to the 21st Century, ladies. As probable cause goes, not much different from the 20th, 19th, or 18th, but... there you go. Only the techniques have changed.

If you know your family members are drug dealers, you roll the dice and take your chances.

I know I have family members who are not welcome at my home. F'em. If they want to F up their lives, that's their choice.

For all we know they were holding an intervention for his brother.