UPS and the Union

[ATF Consumer]

I stopped using overpriced union ran UPS.
UPS stands for Union Priced Shipping.
FedEx has beat them on pricing on everything I have recently shipped.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Ease up on the unions, pal. If I don't miss my guess, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're like a lot of people who enjoy our modern 21st century world, and have no idea what role the unions of the late 19th and 20th centuries played in getting us here. Do you even know who Walter Reuther was, or why the river rouge bridge is important? I'm gonna guess probably not. Try google and learn.






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[scheesman]

As Janet Jackson so eloquently said, "what have you done for me lately?" I doubt there are many that will argue that unions didn't once serve a very important purpose, but all they've done in the last 20 years is guarantee a high school dropout $40 an hour to press a button on an assembly line. And although I am simplifying the problem, I am not simplifying that much.

Ease up on the unions, pal. If I don't miss my guess, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're like a lot of people who enjoy our modern 21st century world, and have no idea what role the unions of the late 19th and 20th centuries played in getting us here. Do you even know who Walter Reuther was, or why the river rouge bridge is important? I'm gonna guess probably not. Try google and learn.






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[misconfig]

As Janet Jackson so eloquently said, "what have you done for me lately?" I doubt there are many that will argue that unions didn't once serve a very important purpose, but all they've done in the last 20 years is guarantee a high school dropout $40 an hour to press a button on an assembly line. And although I am simplifying the problem, I am not simplifying that much.

POW right in the kisser, I'm going to have to back this guy. I couldn't agree with him more - sorry just my opinion.

As a student of Economics, I would respectfully recommend you read a study done by Princeton University.
http://www.rand.org/labor/seminars/adp/pdfs/2008_mas.pdf

 

[jerp239]

As Janet Jackson so eloquently said, "what have you done for me lately?" I doubt there are many that will argue that unions didn't once serve a very important purpose, but all they've done in the last 20 years is guarantee a high school dropout $40 an hour to press a button on an assembly line. And although I am simplifying the problem, I am not simplifying that much

I agree, I worked in a union shop (as salary) for 10 years and had one union worker who always bragged about how little he did for what he got paid. I always told him that it was going to come back to bite him, well the plant closed in July of last year and now he is a 50 something high school dropout that has no skills except walking around with his hands in his pockets. We were the last union shop that the corporation owned, now they are union free and doing well. Karma is a wonderful thing.

 

[mrjarrell]

As Janet Jackson so eloquently said, "what have you done for me lately?" I doubt there are many that will argue that unions didn't once serve a very important purpose, but all they've done in the last 20 years is guarantee a high school dropout $40 an hour to press a button on an assembly line. And although I am simplifying the problem, I am not simplifying that much.

I only see one problem with this. You need to add about 40 years to that. Other than that...dead on.

 

[furbymac]

Ease up on the unions, pal. If I don't miss my guess, I have a sneaking suspicion that you're like a lot of people who enjoy our modern 21st century world, and have no idea what role the unions of the late 19th and 20th centuries played in getting us here. Do you even know who Walter Reuther was, or why the river rouge bridge is important? I'm gonna guess probably not. Try google and learn.






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yea unions are really helping the auto industry

 

[CSK22]

As Janet Jackson so eloquently said, "what have you done for me lately?" I doubt there are many that will argue that unions didn't once serve a very important purpose, but all they've done in the last 20 years is guarantee a high school dropout $40 an hour to press a button on an assembly line. And although I am simplifying the problem, I am not simplifying that much.

Yep nothing like that liberal thought process, reward people for doing little and sometimes even nothing, amazing isn't it. Not saying all employees who work through unions don't put effort into their jobs, there are a lot of people who deserve their compensation out there. But any workplace I've been by lately have used them as protection, and they seem to have immunity to come in and destroy a workplace. TMK Employers can't speak out against them legally, they can only promote their own practices.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Well, guys, all I know is any of you who can make it in the door is free to work with me... till you pass out or cry and go home. Not saying the abuses and the lazy asses aren't there, but there's an awful lot of us still humping.

 

[Misplaced Yankee]

I'm going to have to agree with the negative point of view on unions. I worked with one for a little while, and we lied more to the union boss then anything. And our pay went down. I know a guy who works for UPS and he says unions are crap. But you can't beat em' so join em'. They're great for the bottom 50% not so good for the top 50%.

As for the UPS on 86 if it's the east side, they told me they couldn't even ship firearms. It was against the law for me to ship my Glock back to Glock. I ended up going to FedEx.

 

[red_zr24x4]

This thread got way off topic didnt it?
That being said, Im a union pipefitter, and I would trust a union pipefitter or union eletriction doing work for me before Id trust some fly by night outfit that "learned " their trade piddling in their garage.

I work for a major utility company, this past week I was in a 6' deep hole with shoring welding on a gas main that had 200lbs of pressure running through it, do you want someone thats had years of continous training or a company that hires off the street welding on something like this outside your front door?

not all unions or union members are lazy*****

 

[ATF Consumer]

This thread got way off topic didnt it?
That being said, Im a union pipefitter, and I would trust a union pipefitter or union eletriction doing work for me before Id trust some fly by night outfit that "learned " their trade piddling in their garage.

I work for a major utility company, this past week I was in a 6' deep hole with shoring welding on a gas main that had 200lbs of pressure running through it, do you want someone thats had years of continous training or a company that hires off the street welding on something like this outside your front door?

not all unions or union members are lazy*****

I have nothing against union members, other than those that support their union
I have no problems hiring a company that has a good reputation to do work for me that are not union. A company with a good name will back up their services and it is in their best interest to put qualified people on those tasks.
You are equating union membership with quality, and I think that is a slap in the face to non union individuals that take just as much pride and work just as hard as you think you do. That is elitist thinking and that is actually one of the problems with unions and its membership.

 

[stoyan79]

The Unions are the CANCER of Business.

Why I say cancer?

Because they eat BUSINESS from the inside. Their demise of BUSINESS is slow but sure, just like cancer.

I have seen many good businesses slowly die after the cancer infiltrates.

Unions should go the way of ACORN, which by the way was founded by a person who has created many unions as well.

 

[red_zr24x4]

You are equating union membership with quality, and I think that is a slap in the face to non union individuals that take just as much pride and work just as hard as you think you do. That is elitist thinking and that is actually one of the problems with unions and its membership



the same as equating lazyness with being union ? because some union members are lazy we all are? by your statement you are slapping me in the face.

 

[stoyan79]

Unions do an excellent job in brainwashing their members.

 

[scheesman]

You are equating union membership with quality, and I think that is a slap in the face to non union individuals that take just as much pride and work just as hard as you think you do. That is elitist thinking and that is actually one of the problems with unions and its membership



the same as equating lazyness with being union ? because some union members are lazy we all are? by your statement you are slapping me in the face.

In a non-union shop, the lazy can be (and usually are) fired for poor performance. In a union shop, it takes an act of God to get someone terminated. The weak are protected, at the expense of you, the hard worker.

 

[stoyan79]

+1,000

This is why after the union infiltrates into a business, this business slowly becomes less competitive and profitable and it is bound to slowly die.

Capitalism isn't perfect, but its the only system that we know that works. Unions are hurting capitalism, and the more we favor unions, the more likely we will become a Socialist Society and loose our rights and freedoms.

In a non-union shop, the lazy can be (and usually are) fired for poor performance. In a union shop, it takes an act of God to get someone terminated. The weak are protected, at the expense of you, the hard worker.

 

[ATF Consumer]

You are equating union membership with quality, and I think that is a slap in the face to non union individuals that take just as much pride and work just as hard as you think you do. That is elitist thinking and that is actually one of the problems with unions and its membership



the same as equating lazyness with being union ? because some union members are lazy we all are? by your statement you are slapping me in the face.

Show me where I said union was lazy...

 

[Principal Skinr]

Say what you will about UPS, I've never had them lose or damage anything. Fed Ex, on the other hand, can't even find my home address or work address. I've had things shipped both places, and more than once for each, they couldn't find it, took it back to their office, and sat on it. Did they call me? Nope. They just sat on it. If I hadn't been watching the tracking process, I wonder if I ever would have received the packages. Their drivers in each case were total dip darts. Being non-union didn't help them to get fired. Never mind that my workplace takes up probably 60 or so acres and is equipped with a big electronic sign. Nothing confusing about either addressl. Heck, a Garmin would have gotten them there.

 

[snapping turtle]

I worked throwing packages for UPS long enough to get my mafia membership papers. (union card for the teamsters) and I have it framed in the man cave.