Just read on another forum that a Hornady rep advised that the Z-Max bullet is just a V-Max with a green tip. Assuming that's true, and you like V-Max bullets, better trot right over to Midsouth Shooters Supply. They are out of stock but are expected soon. Example: 100 box of 32 gr .204 V-Max is $15.04. 500 box of 32 gr Z-Max is $53.73. You don't have to be a mathmagician to figure out that's a deal. Just ordered 500 each .17s and .204s. Shipping was about $11.