Wow, just wow

[ATM]

...All that said, I think that we, as gun owners, are going to have to learn the art of compromise. The NRA keeps saying "we should be able to have all the guns we want". The gun control advocates keep saying "we want all your guns". Somewhere in between those extremes has to be a workable solution.

Learn the art of compromise? I already know well how to compromise.

Not knowing how is not the problem, most compromise far too easily when they really shouldn't simply because they are conflict averse.

I reject your notion that an extreme position cannot be the absolute best position to defend from against attempted infringements.

How much are you willing to cede to me (compromise) on this point to find a workable solution? My solution (not budging an inch, in this case) requires nothing further to work. Anything I cede would only serve to cripple it in some way.

 

[rob63]

This country has swung back and forth on various issues many times. The 18th and 21st Amendments are a good example of this. In both cases, the majority ruled.

Yes, the majority has to pay attention to the minority opinions otherwise the minority will turn against them. And, no matter what, the minority has rights. I do get concerned, though, when the direction of the country is changed in order to cater to a minority opinion. I don't know the statistics, but my gut tells me that there are more gun owners than there are LGBTs. This makes me wonder why we have to legalize gay marriage, but we can't have guns.

All that said, I think that we, as gun owners, are going to have to learn the art of compromise. The NRA keeps saying "we should be able to have all the guns we want". The gun control advocates keep saying "we want all your guns". Somewhere in between those extremes has to be a workable solution.

I am a very conflict adverse person, I will compromise on almost anything. However, I am also old enough to remember the 70's when the NRA did, in fact, attempt to compromise. It simply doesn't work, once the dust settles the gun control advocates are still there saying "we want all your guns." You just end up giving up your freedoms a little at a time, but even worse, they actually gain momentum with each compromise. Instead of slowing down their next demand, each compromise just accelerates the next demand. I wish it wasn't so, I wish we could agree on some measures that would satisfy them and then that would be the end of it, but that's just not the way it is.

 

[oldpink]

Well, I do have a variant of Battleship I enjoy playing in the toilet.

Would that be Battle****?

 

[ATM]

Would that be Battle****?

I just knew I wasn't the only one.

 

[oldpink]

I am a very conflict adverse person, I will compromise on almost anything. However, I am also old enough to remember the 70's when the NRA did, in fact, attempt to compromise. It simply doesn't work, once the dust settles the gun control advocates are still there saying "we want all your guns." You just end up giving up your freedoms a little at a time, but even worse, they actually gain momentum with each compromise. Instead of slowing down their next demand, each compromise just accelerates the next demand. I wish it wasn't so, I wish we could agree on some measures that would satisfy them and then that would be the end of it, but that's just not the way it is.

 

[Arthur Dent]

I've lost a few friends over the years because of guns. Not because they were shot and killed, but because they don't like guns and can't handle that I do. One even called me an "enabler of criminals." Another thinks I have a fantasy of being a cop. The advantage I have over them is I don't care what they think.

 

[oldpink]

I've lost a few friends over the years because of guns. Not because they were shot and killed, but because they don't like guns and can't handle that I do. One even called me an "enabler of criminals." Another thinks I have a fantasy of being a cop. The advantage I have over them is I don't care what they think.

It's good that the issue of guns came up as the nail in the coffin, all the better to prove beyond all doubt that they never really were your friends in the first place.

 

[Arthur Dent]

It's good that the issue of guns came up as the nail in the coffin, all the better to prove beyond all doubt that they never really were your friends in the first place.

Yup

 

[OakRiver]

All that said, I think that we, as gun owners, are going to have to learn the art of compromise. The NRA keeps saying "we should be able to have all the guns we want". The gun control advocates keep saying "we want all your guns". Somewhere in between those extremes has to be a workable solution.

What compromises are you prepared to make with regard to the Second Amendment?
Do you believe that Clinton's Assault Weapon Ban was a good compromise, even though it had no effect on violent crime?
Do you think that magazine restrictions are a good compromise?
Is the NFA a good compromise?
Is the NICS check you must undergo prior to exercising your rights a good compromise?
Is a ban on ammunition types a good compromise?
What do you think of compromise, and the current erosion of the Second Amendment, given the wording "shall not be infringed"?
Would the No Fly No Buy proposal be a good compromise?
What about the patchwork of legislation determining how a firearm may be transported across country, or carried by an individual? Is that a good compromise? Should my marriage only be valid in the States that have reciprocity? What about my driving license?
What other Constitutional rights would you like to compromise on? Should people have to show good reason not to be discriminated against? What about a background check and fee to be free from cruel and unusual punishment?

 

[Vigilant]

All that said, I think that we, as gun owners, are going to have to learn the art of compromise. The NRA keeps saying "we should be able to have all the guns we want". The gun control advocates keep saying "we want all your guns". Somewhere in between those extremes has to be a workable solution.

What was the thread title again? Wow, just Wow? Here's what I'm willing to compromise, I will hire 4 of the not nicest people I can to invade your home and do what they will to you and your family, but, you have to give up ALL of the guns you currently own that have the capability to hold more than 1 cartridge, shell, projectile, etc. so, say an H&R Break Barrel Shotgun(After all, Uncle Joe likes shotguns) you choose the gauge, but you're only allowed to have 2 shells, one in the gun, and one Barney Fifed! Also, you are not allowed to have the shotgun in a "ready" mode, it has to be behind a locked cabinet or safe door. Now, said "not nice people" are going to kick in your door at a time most inconvenient to you and your family, and you have to obtain said Uncl Joe gun and repel boarders. Aaaand go...























Still here? Well good for you, and that's what I think of your ****ing compromise! Turn your **** in now, you neither need, NOR deserve it!

 

[rugertoter]

I would respond by saying that if their life was ever in danger, and I was around them, I would make sure to hold my fire...would not want to make them uncomfortable. Well, in reality, we don't have to worry about it. We won't be around each other anymore. Goodbye.

 

[bb37]

Our country was built on compromise. The founding fathers understood the art of compromise. If they had not compromised, our Constitution and, possibly, our country, would not exist in its current form.

Sadly, we have lost our understanding of compromise. Everyone seems to believe "it's my way or the highway"...on both sides of the argument. Ad infinitum.

 

[Vigilant]

Our country was built on compromise. The founding fathers understood the art of compromise. If they had not compromised, our Constitution and, possibly, our country, would not exist in its current form.

Sadly, we have lost our understanding of compromise. Everyone seems to believe "it's my way or the highway"...on both sides of the argument. Ad infinitum.

We compromised to over 10000 firearms laws? How much more do you want REAL gun owners to compromise? Liberals, and Fudds are the enemy! Compromise is good as long as my huntin' shotgun is safe! **** that!

 

[raptrbreth]

Our country was built on compromise. The founding fathers understood the art of compromise. If they had not compromised, our Constitution and, possibly, our country, would not exist in its current form.

Sadly, we have lost our understanding of compromise. Everyone seems to believe "it's my way or the highway"...on both sides of the argument. Ad infinitum.

So what are the gun control advocates going to give up or compromise? I'll wait with baited breath.

 

[femurphy77]

I've had this conversation on more than one occasion:

Freedom hating liberal friend/acquaintance/person behind me in the grocery line; "Is that a gun under your shirt?"

Me; "No, I'm just happy to see you!"

FHLFAPBMITGL; "Pervert!"

 

[ATM]

Our country was built on compromise. The founding fathers understood the art of compromise. If they had not compromised, our Constitution and, possibly, our country, would not exist in its current form.

Sadly, we have lost our understanding of compromise. Everyone seems to believe "it's my way or the highway"...on both sides of the argument. Ad infinitum.

Try responding to post #81, don't just repeat yourself.

Of course compromise has its place, but certainly not one's principles or rights.

 

[Fullmag]

Thats really just it. There is no compromise. Give up your God given right to defend yourself or loved ones for someone's selfish, self-serving desires.

 

[bb37]

I reject your notion that an extreme position cannot be the absolute best position to defend from against attempted infringements.

I accept that you reject my notion.

 

[level0]

Try responding to post #81, don't just repeat yourself.

Of course compromise has its place, but certainly not one's principles or rights.

I see we are still waiting, and suspect we'll always be waiting. The socialist definition of compromise: Gimme what you got.

 

[bb37]

For those of you who may be jumping to conclusions...

I am not a socialist.

I don't want your guns.

I don't want the government to take my guns.

I don't vote for people who want the government to take my guns. (Speaking of which, WRT this year's General Election, have all of you either voted or are you planning to vote? I have.)

I don't have any genius ideas about what an acceptable gun control compromise might look like. I do know that gun control will probably continue to be a "hot button" item in U.S. politics...on both sides of the debate. IOW, the gun control lobby isn't going to go away.

And, for the mods, it was not my intent to "troll" this thread. Sorry for the disruption.

Now, back to counting bullets.