Simply with cars you cant solve the problem yourself without assulting someone else. With a snow drift you could shovel it away get a friend with a plow to help or just drive thru it. The ditch could be solved if you owned a winch or had a friend with a winch or tractor. If you moved a car that person would most like consider you stealing it or try and stop you from pushing them out of the way and possibly into a ditch. What would you do is someone started pushing your car off the road?
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Would you have paid?
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Simply with cars you cant solve the problem yourself without assulting someone else. With a snow drift you could shovel it away get a friend with a plow to help or just drive thru it. The ditch could be solved if you owned a winch or had a friend with a winch or tractor. If you moved a car that person would most like consider you stealing it or try and stop you from pushing them out of the way and possibly into a ditch. What would you do is someone started pushing your car off the road?
Gluemanz28
Grandmaster
So if I'm driving a tow truck and I pull in and block you in a parking space are you stuck or blocked in?
eldirector
Grandmaster
You are missing another player.
If I am in a parking space, and another vehicle has blocked me in, and you are in a tow truck.....
But that's not what happened.
I don't believe the tow driver should have blocked the street, if that is what you are getting at. If someone refused to pay, then get their info and file in small claims court. Or call the cops and have them arrested. Threatening to take someone's vehicle was pretty low.
All your solutions involved the help of another. The Tow truck company was the friend that showed up in this case.
And......now you've lost me.
shibumiseeker
Grandmaster
You're blocking my way on a public roadway. You didn't ask for my help. What would you do if I locked it in low range and just started pushing you the **** out of the way. Not to get you unstuck, just out of my way.
Disposable Heart
Grandmaster
The method of blocking the intersection and demanding payment is what really gets me hot about this whole thing. "How are you paying?" I'm not, get out of the way or I will contact the police. Then what? What are they going to do? Tow my car? With me in it? I don't like to revert to violence automatically, but that sounds like kidnapping and justifiable use of deadly force. Going to pull me from my car to tow it? Use of force, including deadly force, to terminate unlawful intrusion into my occupied motor vehicle. What they did was extortion and worse, theft, an illegal toll exchange in my mind. They touch my property (towing my car), I will contact the police and have them arrested. They wish to extort money from me and try to remove me from my car, they can find another giggle-hick to replace the one I just filled full of holes.
Any tow truck drivers here? If someone will not leave their car, what is your recourse? What options do you have?
It sounds like this Honeycutt fella wanted to forego any confrontation, sometimes it's confronting the criminals, in any guise they may wear, that prevents them from preying on you.
Any tow truck drivers here? If someone will not leave their car, what is your recourse? What options do you have?
It sounds like this Honeycutt fella wanted to forego any confrontation, sometimes it's confronting the criminals, in any guise they may wear, that prevents them from preying on you.
If your scenario were to happen, I'd get your plate number, and when I got unstuck I'd file a police report for a hit and run, followed by a small claims court lawsuit for any and all damages.
shibumiseeker
Grandmaster
Right, that was Harry's point. Still lost?
HeadlessRoland
Shooter
Heard about this, but not the specifics. Lunacy, and in a perfect world, criminal lunacy.
I don't know what I would do. It would largely depend on whether I had the boys with me or not. If so, I'd likely pay just to prevent any escalation with them around. But I would demand a receipt that noted that the tow company neither freed my vehicle or responded due to my call. IOW, I did not contract services with them.
And that last sentence seems to be a point some are forgetting. Who contracted for the services? Local LE called for the plow service, so it should come out of city budget, which is how "everyone who benefits" pays "their fair share." If the truck freed vehicles from the snow, then the owners of those vehicles can be billed individually. In this case, it's not much different than "No Parking Vehicle will be towed at Owner's expense" signage. And in any other municipality, if the city/town has to have the vehicle removed, the owner will be billed for it.
Refusal to let a vehicle pass and demanding payment for that passage is criminal.
And that last sentence seems to be a point some are forgetting. Who contracted for the services? Local LE called for the plow service, so it should come out of city budget, which is how "everyone who benefits" pays "their fair share." If the truck freed vehicles from the snow, then the owners of those vehicles can be billed individually. In this case, it's not much different than "No Parking Vehicle will be towed at Owner's expense" signage. And in any other municipality, if the city/town has to have the vehicle removed, the owner will be billed for it.
Refusal to let a vehicle pass and demanding payment for that passage is criminal.
BehindBlueI's
Grandmaster
- Oct 3, 2012
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Paid? No. **ASSUMING THE DETAILS ARE CORRECT** I'd have probably just locked the tow truck driver up for obstruction of traffic.
Nice, but we don't all have that option.
remauto1187
Shooter
I would have called the police to report the lunatic that was impeding traffic and my legal right to move forward. "sure officer I will sign a complaint" would follow the officers arrival to the scene.
hornadylnl
Shooter
- Nov 19, 2008
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- 63
Next time I do a home improvement, I'm going to divide the bill up amongst all the neighbors. They're benefiting via their own increased property values. I like where you're going with this.
eldirector
Grandmaster
Your neighbors should charge YOU! Thanks to your improvements, THEIR taxes will go up.
To All,
I wonder if we are not looking at this the wrong way.
Let us presume for a moment that while there was a snow drift that would stop many none were stopped. As the city could not keep up with the snowfall they called a private company to deal with this additional impediment.
As the company cleared the drift it would be the city getting the bill because now citizens would be able to pass the location unimpeded. In other words, those assisted would have been the anonymous public, who would have been impossible to individually charge.
Now we complicate things: several vehicles are in fact stuck and the private company is called to get them unstuck. As they are blocking, willfully or not, a public thoroughfare and have been unable to free themselves I can see a reasonable argument being made that they need to pay for the service they received. Had they NOT been blocking a public thoroughfare then they could argue against a charge they did not (potentially) want.
To complicate it further we now have other citizens who are no longer anonymous that collaterally benefit from the the first groups being freed. Just because they are not anonymous should not mean they are subject to being charged, just as drivers who happened to be able to pass by hours later unimpeded were not charged.
The question becomes: For how long does the temporal proximity of the benefit of clearing the blockage apply to motorists who follow the clearing? I would argue instantly!!! There is precedent for this in thousands of instances. Say a semitruck looses control in an icy situation on the highway. The police are dispatched and cannot move it. Traffic backs up for miles. A private company with heavy equipment arrives to move the damaged semi out of the way of motorists. Do we allow that tow company to charge everyone backed up on the highway for miles just because they have collaterally benefited from the removed impediment? I do not believe this is done. This is not unusual and happens thousands of times year round.
As to dealing with this event I believe I would refuse to pay. In echoing others I would not leave my vehicle. If LE were to become involved and somehow compelled me to leave my vehicle to "discuss" the issue I would turn my front wheels all the way right or left. This then impedes the tow truck from towing my vehicle without severely damaging it, for which I can then sue them. But that is just me.
Regards,
Doug
I wonder if we are not looking at this the wrong way.
Let us presume for a moment that while there was a snow drift that would stop many none were stopped. As the city could not keep up with the snowfall they called a private company to deal with this additional impediment.
As the company cleared the drift it would be the city getting the bill because now citizens would be able to pass the location unimpeded. In other words, those assisted would have been the anonymous public, who would have been impossible to individually charge.
Now we complicate things: several vehicles are in fact stuck and the private company is called to get them unstuck. As they are blocking, willfully or not, a public thoroughfare and have been unable to free themselves I can see a reasonable argument being made that they need to pay for the service they received. Had they NOT been blocking a public thoroughfare then they could argue against a charge they did not (potentially) want.
To complicate it further we now have other citizens who are no longer anonymous that collaterally benefit from the the first groups being freed. Just because they are not anonymous should not mean they are subject to being charged, just as drivers who happened to be able to pass by hours later unimpeded were not charged.
The question becomes: For how long does the temporal proximity of the benefit of clearing the blockage apply to motorists who follow the clearing? I would argue instantly!!! There is precedent for this in thousands of instances. Say a semitruck looses control in an icy situation on the highway. The police are dispatched and cannot move it. Traffic backs up for miles. A private company with heavy equipment arrives to move the damaged semi out of the way of motorists. Do we allow that tow company to charge everyone backed up on the highway for miles just because they have collaterally benefited from the removed impediment? I do not believe this is done. This is not unusual and happens thousands of times year round.
As to dealing with this event I believe I would refuse to pay. In echoing others I would not leave my vehicle. If LE were to become involved and somehow compelled me to leave my vehicle to "discuss" the issue I would turn my front wheels all the way right or left. This then impedes the tow truck from towing my vehicle without severely damaging it, for which I can then sue them. But that is just me.
Regards,
Doug
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