WI Man Investigated for Dealing W/O FFL

[Kirk Freeman]

Lately much has been made of President Obama's Executive Actions concerning directing ATFE to enforce existing law. A case in Wisconsin has made the news concerning a man buying guns in a Gander Mountain and then re-selling them from 2003 to 2015.

Wauwatosa man under investigation for illegal gun sales

 

[jagee]

Bought from Gander...was he selling for a loss?

 

[snorko]

Bought from Gander...was he selling for a loss?

He didn't want to make money, he just wanted to sell guns

 

[printcraft]

So buying the used guns when they come in to GM via employee of GM kickback etc. ...... somebody(s) has some explaining to do.

 

[BugI02]

If they can link this guy to sales to improper persons or across state lines somebody should hand him a couple of packets of jam, because he's toast

 

[JettaKnight]

Bought from Gander...was he selling for a loss?

From the article:

The suspect, who is 60, recruited Gander Mountain employees to watch for used firearms and call him when they came into the store, according to the affidavit. He paid the employees a kickback for the referrals, it said.

 

[SSGSAD]

Lately much has been made of President Obama's Executive Actions concerning directing ATFE to enforce existing law. A case in Wisconsin has made the news concerning a man buying guns in a Gander Mountain and then re-selling them from 2003 to 2015.

Wauwatosa man under investigation for illegal gun sales

Well, I guess, someone, had to be the "test case" .....

Anybody want to take a "bet" he is a "d", and will be paid royally, by the .gov, for doing this ?????

After all, it has to be a conspiracy ..... RIGHT .....

 

[Thor]

Well...as a business he wasn't making much of a living , as a hobby we was doing okay...as an example though, priceless.

 

[level0]

The easy fix to this is to disband the jackass BATFE, which shouldn't exist anyway in a real America.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

So who ratted on the guy? A new GM manager that got perturbed because he was using his 25% off coupon over and over?

 

[Bigtanker]

They said he spent about $170,000 on 513 firearms. Thats about $320 per gun.....from Gander.

 

[phylodog]

If they can link this guy to sales to improper persons or across state lines somebody should hand him a couple of packets of jam, because [STRIKE]he's toast[/STRIKE]

I really, really thought you were gonna end that sentence differently than you did.

 

[HoughMade]

I really don't think that the executive orders changed anything about this investigation other than the reporting.

 

[phylodog]

So who ratted on the guy? A new GM manager that got perturbed because he was using his 25% off coupon over and over?

If I had to guess, folks at the ATF were tasked with finding some examples. While the BATFE/NICS doesn't know how many or what make/model of firearms someone buys you'll never convince me they can't pull up how many transfers a name/dob/ssn have associated with them. Those transfers will have FFL numbers attached indicating a pattern of transfers from the same numbers. Once someone decides to look the data is there.

 

[HamsterStyle]

I really, really thought you were gonna end that sentence differently than you did.

Yeah. I thought this was gonna go down the line of "jelly or syrup" Hahahaha

 

[17 squirrel]

I would tend to believe that during a normal FFL inspection , ATF was matching up log books with 4473's or depending on what information goes into there log books the man in question name kept popping up.

And with that The Lid to Pandora's Box was opened.

 

[MCgrease08]

Or he was posting them in the classifieds on WIGO.

 

[Reagan40]

Or he was posting them in the classifieds on WIGO.

​And he probably only had 51 posts!

 

[SumtnFancy]

I really, really thought you were gonna end that sentence differently than you did.

I thought he was going for the...

What's the difference between jam and jelly?

I can't jelly my D in your A...

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

I keep a spreadsheet on the guns that I have bought and sold over the years. It shows that over 35 years, I average two gun transactions a year, (either buying or selling). That was from both private individuals and FFL dealers. Highest number was five transactions in one year.

This guy managed to buy 513 guns from Gander Mt in 12 years. He then turned around and sold them on Gunbroker. That is 1026 transactions in that period, averaging 85 transactions per year. Even more glaring is that he purchased 428 guns in a 5 year period. That is 856 transactions, averaging 171 transactions per year. Even if he did not sell all of the guns he purchased, that is still an extraordinary amount of transactions that would stand out for one individual.

I am sure he was flagged in the NCIS system for his high volume of purchases per month. The BATFE would have to be blinder that Hillarys COMSEC Security Staff, to just give him a pass.