Why are people against a safety course?

[Bunnykid68]

JCWIT, most of my training came from BB guns when I was a kid. Everything else I know about firearms is pretty much self taught. I have no formal combat, safety, shooting, defensive training of any kind, other than what I have taught myself.

So, based on that information you are saying I should not be allowed to carry or use a gun. Thank you very much, I appreciate the vote of confidence, guess I should sell the rest of my guns and get me another BB gun

 

[jcwit]

JCWit wouldnt you be happier posting on the Brady Campaign forums?

Nope, I have no use for the Brady Campaign, already stated tnat.

 

[jcwit]

There are 7 individual trainers and/or training firms which are INGO advertisers, and others who are not INGO advertisers. They stay in business by training people who voluntarily seek their services, indicating that people do in fact do so. Try again.

Have no idea where to find the stats if they even exist. But it would be interstring to know what the percent of folks who own guns have taken ANY type of Safety course of any kind. I would bet its way less than 50%.

You can now try again.

 

[SaintsNSinners]

So JCWit you have never answered my question...

Who decides who trains? What .Gov Stooge gets to decide if I have to take a training class, how long the class is, Where the class is, Whats covered in the class?

Remember I was a Hunter before I was a Boy Scout, I was a Boy Scout Before I was an EMT, I was an EMT before I was a Front Line Combat Soldier.

You never did answer that question along with a great many other questions postulated here.

The problem is you cannot answer them because they are unanswerable. The only option you have to fall back on remains so horrendous and despotic that the people will never allow such a thing to exist.

Any such regulation would fly against the Civil Rights and the Constitution.

You see the basis of our government is that all are equal in the eyes of the law. So your only proposal would have to fly against the equality of all americans. There by nullifying the Constitution as we know it. Any law that by design of function defies the constitution is immediately nullified by the rights retained by the states and the rights retained by the people of the United States.

So tell me know how you would Implement this obviously Un Constitutional mandate without A. The support of the people, B. Without Violating the Civil Rights by descriminating one group vs another group, C. Afford such a Dictatorial Mandate and Finance it?

How do you finanace a blatant violation of the Constitution without violating the constitution by making the people pay to exercise ar Right?

 

[jcwit]

And this is why it is difficult to sustain a high-value thread on any forum. There's always someone willing to take things out of context, willing to make things up, willing to create false quotes, and generally willing to take the thread down rabbit holes. Sad when it is the OP that does it.

Sorry guy, you are the one that started trying to change my words and meanings. Better take a look in the mirror.

 

[jcwit]

Again, making things up from thin air... there is no implication about people doing anything in that post. It merely says that people like training. If you want to disagree with that point then you can argue with the dozens of INGO posters who have said that very thing here on your thread.

Better take a closer look guy.

Check out post #1, sure wasn't me, you can't get that right.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...4-why_are_people_against_a_safety_course.html

I didn't post till #23!

 

[jcwit]

So JCWit you have never answered my question...

Who decides who trains? What .Gov Stooge gets to decide if I have to take a training class, how long the class is, Where the class is, Whats covered in the class?

Remember I was a Hunter before I was a Boy Scout, I was a Boy Scout Before I was an EMT, I was an EMT before I was a Front Line Combat Soldier.

You never did answer that question along with a great many other questions postulated here.

The problem is you cannot answer them because they are unanswerable. The only option you have to fall back on remains so horrendous and despotic that the people will never allow such a thing to exist.

Any such regulation would fly against the Civil Rights and the Constitution.

You see the basis of our government is that all are equal in the eyes of the law. So your only proposal would have to fly against the equality of all americans. There by nullifying the Constitution as we know it. Any law that by design of function defies the constitution is immediately nullified by the rights retained by the states and the rights retained by the people of the United States.

So tell me know how you would Implement this obviously Un Constitutional mandate without A. The support of the people, B. Without Violating the Civil Rights by descriminating one group vs another group, C. Afford such a Dictatorial Mandate and Finance it?

How do you finanace a blatant violation of the Constitution without violating the constitution by making the people pay to exercise ar Right?

Whatever you say saint.

 

[SaintsNSinners]

Whatever you say saint.

Just another acknowledgement by you that the very thing you support is a bad idea..

Pretty sad that you know what you support is wrong.

 

[Roadie]

Whatever you say saint.

He asked some very valid questions, and THAT is your response?

 

[esrice]

Have no idea where to find the stats if they even exist. But it would be interstring to know what the percent of folks who own guns have taken ANY type of Safety course of any kind. I would bet its way less than 50%.

It sounds like you're letting two issues mingle.

Issue #1: Gun owners should train. Most folks here would agree with you. Many seek out quality training on their own time and dime and see the value in such training. Personally, I think EVERY person who owns a gun should learn how to use it efficiently.

Issue #2: Training should be required. THIS is where people, including myself, disagree. We don't disagree because training is a bad idea, but because mandating such things is a slippery slope to further restrictions of the right to bear arms. Training costs money, and those that lack money would be at a disadvantage. Or the training standards could be so prohibitive that no one would qualify to own guns.

So while most people will agree with your stance on Issue #1, most people will disagree with your stance on Issue #2.

I'd be curious to hear how you think Issue #2 should be mandated. Who would make the rules? Who would set the standards? How would the training be paid for? Who would do the training?

 

[jcwit]

It's virtually impossible to answer them as there has been no regulations placed to start a safety and training program. You are correct in that they are unanswerable.

But I doubt they will stay unanswerable in the future.

That folks is my opinion, right or wrong, we shall see what happenes later.

 

[RolanNRA]

I should have read Drakkules opinion

Drakkule makes agreat point. I regret not having read his opinion before voting in poll. I voted that all should receive training....however having read his take on it I would agree with the 4 exceptions as stated

 

[SaintsNSinners]

So Thread Closed, Troll Defeated, Nothing to say or add left,

The troll has been reduced to stupid posts of smiley faces instead of facing the very questions that for the basis of his asinine and silly position.

Just another silly troll that will probably end up with a shooter status at some point.

He cannot even defend a position that he knows and has had proven wrong.




IBTL

 

[esrice]

It's virtually impossible to answer them as there has been no regulations placed to start a safety and training program. You are correct in that they are unanswerable.

Other states currently have such regulations, so the answers to such questions already exist there.

I'm curious as to your ideas on how such regulations should be handled. What is your opinion?

 

[jcwit]

It sounds like you're letting two issues mingle.

Issue #1: Gun owners should train. Most folks here would agree with you. Many seek out quality training on their own time and dime and see the value in such training. Personally, I think EVERY person who owns a gun should learn how to use it efficiently.

Issue #2: Training should be required. THIS is where people, including myself, disagree. We don't disagree because training is a bad idea, but because mandating such things is a slippery slope to further restrictions of the right to bear arms. Training costs money, and those that lack money would be at a disadvantage. Or the training standards could be so prohibitive that no one would qualify to own guns.

So while most people will agree with your stance on Issue #1, most people will disagree with your stance on Issue #2.

I'd be curious to hear how you think Issue #2 should be mandated. Who would make the rules? Who would set the standards? How would the training be paid for? Who would do the training?

Pretty much correct.

As far as who should should make the rules, standards, and pay for the training, its way past my pay grade. Anything I would suggest on those questions would be pure speculation.

 

[esrice]

So Thread Closed, Troll Defeated, Nothing to say or add left,

The troll has been reduced to stupid posts of smiley faces instead of facing the very questions that for the basis of his asinine and silly position.

Just another silly troll that will probably end up with a shooter status at some point.

He cannot even defend a position that he knows and has had proven wrong.

Just because his opinion is different or unpopular doesn't mean that the rules for name-calling don't apply.

Please refrain from any future name-calling or a temp ban will follow this in-thread warning.

 

[jcwit]

Other states currently have such regulations, so the answers to such questions already exist there.

I'm curious as to your ideas on how such regulations should be handled. What is your opinion?

See above post.

 

[Bunnykid68]

jcwit, still haven't answered me yet.

 

[lovemachine]

Pretty much correct.

As far as who should should make the rules, standards, and pay for the training, its way past my pay grade. Anything I would suggest on those questions would be pure speculation.

But you ARE for it. You obviously have some opinions/beliefs on how a mandatory training law should work.

I'm very curious on more of your thoughts. Seriously.

 

[SaintsNSinners]

Pretty much correct.

As far as who should should make the rules, standards, and pay for the training, its way past my pay grade. Anything I would suggest on those questions would be pure speculation.

SO your basis is again that one group of people whould dictate how another group exercises a constitutional right?




LMAO SILLY TROLL go back to the Brady Campaign, You and that Wheel Chaired Freak were cut from the same cloth