Who wants a Biden vaccine passport?

[jamil]

If things were really as dire as this has been made out to be, then yeah, I'd be up in arms too. But the reality is a vaccine passport well never exist the evil form that people arm fighting against. It just won't be used that way because there's no reason to do that.

All this mark of the beast and condition the masses takes away from the very real, very urgent need for reliable travel documentation.

Because dammit, Reverend Peyton's Big Damn Band is going to play in Berlin and I want to be at that show!I


PS - that sad face was predetermined.

Let's separate the conversations that everyone is having. "Vaccine passport" to you means that other countries will require some proof of vaccination to enter their country. That's nothing new. Nothing shocking, no mark of the beast discussion could be had with that.

When other people hear "vaccine passport" they're thinking surrogate social enforcement of vaccination, and even people pushing for laws that make it very difficult to operate in society without it. So I guess I can't blame people who believe in such things to think that it's very mark of beast like. But I think it's very wrong to claim that they're saying this because it's required to travel internationally. That's not what they're saying. People should probably just drop that and address what is really the crux of it.

 

[BugI02]

Dude, I'm not speaking from personal experience, but I have a brother in-law who is a lawyer. It kinda is in a way. Or maybe more of a memory test.

Educational Testing Services ranked the top majors by IQ 4 years ago. The law doesn't seem to have made the list

 

[BugI02]

Either let me speak for myself and stop putting words in my mouth, or show me where I've said anything close to that.

I interpret what you HAVE said as that you approve of people being forced to be vaccinated with an experimental vaccine for a not very deadly (overall) virus as a condition of employment or as a form of 'travel papers'. Please note that the travel restriction is likely analogous to requiring the flu vaccine in effectiveness and as well as deadliness of the disease. We are not talking about measles or small pox

If I have misunderstood the thrust of your many comments, please point out where you have said something different in a non-mealy-mouthed way - you know your body of work better than I do so it should be a simple task, yes?

 

[JettaKnight]

I interpret what you HAVE said as that you approve of people being forced to be vaccinated with an experimental vaccine for a not very deadly (overall) virus as a condition of employment or as a form of 'travel papers'. Please note that the travel restriction is likely analogous to requiring the flu vaccine in effectiveness and as well as deadliness of the disease. We are not talking about measles or small pox

If I have misunderstood the thrust of your many comments, please point out where you have said something different in a non-mealy-mouthed way - you know your body of work better than I do so it should be a simple task, yes?

Don't make an accusation then tell me I have to disprove it.

I'm not advocating any force, coercion, employment restrictions, or travel restrictions at all, not for masks, and not for vaccines, nor have I ever. Either put up, or shut up.

And just because I don't see the world in your strict binary way and think the tribe is always right doesn't make me mealy-mouthed.

PS - "it's just like the flu" is so old and lame that I'm disappointed to hear you utter it.

 

[DadSmith]

Whoa there. The extent to which National Socialism was socialism, it was not compatible at all with Marxism. It National Socialism has a strong government and close relationship with businesses, to carry out the will of the government. Marxism is not that at all. And that's not a defense of Marxism. It's just saying they really don't share much dogma at all. Marxism devolves into something that is authoritarian. And being authoritarian is one area the two ideologies have something in common.

Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

www.independent.co.uk

 

[JettaKnight]

Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

www.independent.co.uk

Adolph was an f'ed dictator. Does it really matter what his politics were either in public or private? His success had less to do with political ideology, and more to do with political ambition, charisma and bloodthirst.


Plus, outside of a book, true Marxism doesn't exist; it's all a blend of thing and coercion to keep the masses in line.

 

[DadSmith]

Adolph was an f'ed dictator. Does it really matter what his politics were either in public or private? His success had less to do with political ideology, and more to do with political ambition, charisma and bloodthirst.


Plus, outside of a book, true Marxism doesn't exist; it's all a blend of thing and coercion to keep the masses in line.

A socialist is a socialist doesn't matter what brand left right its still socialist. Antifa is left wing socialist and the neo Nazis are right wing socialist.

 

[maxipum]

Set phasers for delusional.

1. No one is coercing people to take the Covid-19 vaccines.

2. I am not being arrogant simply pointing out what has long been the standard to travel internationally.

3. If you travel internationally then you are aware that some countries have proof requirements for vaccinations as well as potential blood tests.

4. You MAY be ignorant but ignorant does not mean stupid or backwards. By educating you on international requirements I am freeing you and making you a better informed person.

5. I made a statement that was true and correct. International travel requires proof of vaccinations. If this angers you, do not travel internationally.

6. I do not care what you decide on the vaccine. I believe some people will let others be beta testers and then after a passage of time without side effects they too will receive it. Human nature and all. After a period of time this will be a non-factor as well "return to normal".

Because of the putrid politicalization of this virus, people are sensitive to butthurt. I am sorry you are butthurt over me correctly stating a fact. You are strong and will bounce back.

Pragmatically, how do you prove and document that sufficiently?

Not doubting you, just trying to understand the logistics of it.

Pragmatically, how do you prove and document that sufficiently?

Not doubting you, just trying to understand the logistics of it.

I hope a positive test result would settle it. Or test for the antibodies?

 

[BugI02]

Don't make an accusation then tell me I have to disprove it.

I'm not advocating any force, coercion, employment restrictions, or travel restrictions at all, not for masks, and not for vaccines, nor have I ever. Either put up, or shut up.

And just because I don't see the world in your strict binary way and think the tribe is always right doesn't make me mealy-mouthed.

PS - "it's just like the flu" is so old and lame that I'm disappointed to hear you utter it.

I tried to rule out a mealy-mouthed cite, for example one such as 'I don't think vaccination should be a condition of employment; but their business, they can do what they want' would qualify as mealy-mouthed. It would not advocate any particular policy option but would merely try to sound reasonable

In one of your posts in this thread you were saying that we should acquiesce to a 'vaccine passport', despite the fact it is just wrong, because we should trust that it just would not be used that way

It seems to me that whether it should be legal or tolerated to require proof of vaccination in order to participate in everyday society IS a binary choice - there is no third option

 

[jamil]

I hope a positive test result would settle it. Or test for the antibodies?

A positive test result wouldn't be sufficient because positive test results without symptoms was used to spread the whole idea of asymptomatic spread. And now that kinda sounds like it was ********.

So I think a valid proof would be having the antibodies.

 

[maxipum]

I hope a positive test result would settle it. Or test for the antibodies?

Damn fat fingers, sorry for the sloppy post.

 

[jamil]

Educational Testing Services ranked the top majors by IQ 4 years ago. The law doesn't seem to have made the list

Probably they were afraid they'd get sued?

 

[maxipum]

A positive test result wouldn't be sufficient because positive test results without symptoms was used to spread the whole idea of asymptomatic spread. And now that kinda sounds like it was ********.

So I think a valid proof would be having the antibodies.

True, with all the false positives being reported.

 

[BugI02]

Probably they were afraid they'd get sued?

touché

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I hope a positive test result would settle it. Or test for the antibodies?

The science is certainly trending that way, but I am unaware if any nations accept it . . . yet.

There was an article on Instapundit this week. I know CDC said this in December, but I know how you guys all feel about the CDC, lol (can't blame ya really).

Lemme see if I can find it.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Here are some different articles on your inquiry. Hope they help.

Maryland COVID Resources

University of Maryland Medical System is committed to bringing you accurate, up-to-date information about the coronavirus and how to stay safe this pandemic.

www.umms.org

Immunity to the Coronavirus May Persist for Years, Scientists Find (Published 2021)

Important immune cells survive in the bone marrow of people who were infected with the virus or were inoculated against it, new research suggests.

www.nytimes.com

News You Can Use About COVID-19 Immunity

pjmedia.com

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I don't see anything about prior infection being substitute to vaccination, so you may have to isolate for a couple of weeks when you travel if you don't want the vaccine.

These Countries Are Open to Vaccinated Travelers

The list keeps growing.

www.afar.com

Uncle Sam still wants negative Covid test:

COVID-19 Traveler Information

travel.state.gov

 

[vulindlela]

I find it more than a little amusing that people are up-in-arms about vaccinations for international travel when it's been going on for a loooonnnggg time.

Well, not entirely true.

While there is a yellow fever vaccination required from some African countries, most countries do not require vaccines.
Who requires a yellow fever jab?
Angola
Burundi
Cameroon
Central African Republic
Republic of Congo
Democratic Republic of Congo
Ivory Coast
Gabon
Ghana
Guinea-Bissau
Liberia
Mali
Niger
Sierra Leone
Togo
Uganda

While I would be happy to visit any of these, none are actually a flocking point for tourists.

Here are the places I have been overseas. Not one time did I carry a vaccine card. Not one time was I asked to show proof of vaccination. Not one time was I even asked about vaccination status.
Australia
Austria
Bahamas-2 times
Bahrain
Belgium-2 times
Belize
Brazil-3 times
Cape Verde-2 times
Canada-7 times
Cayman Islands
Chile
China
Colombia
Croatia-2 times
Cuba-2 times
Czech Republic
Denmark
Egypt
Finland
France-8 times
Germany-6 times
Greece
Guatemala
Hong Kong-2 times
Hungary
Iceland
Ireland
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kuwait
Lebanon
Mexico-6 times
Monaco
Netherlands-7 times
Netherlands Antilles-3 times
Panama
Poland-2 times
Portugal
Russia
South Africa-4 times
South Korea
Spain-2 times
Sweden
Switzerland
Turks and Caicos
Turkey
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom-12 times
Vatican City
Venezuela


I am aware that this is most likely going to change due to Covid, however, to say it has always been, is just not true.

 

[vulindlela]

That only impacts one person, the fetus.

Being a safe harbor to disease impacts many.

Since I am not harboring disease, I am good.

 

[vulindlela]

3. If you travel internationally then you are aware that some countries have proof requirements for vaccinations as well as potential blood tests.

Over 100 trips overseas, and never had this once.