So eight pages and not one person who has taken a class from Tactical Response, and specifically James Yeager, who hates him? Nobody? WTF?
I read this whole damn thread. Wasted ten minutes of my life that I will never get back. You guys suck with your lack of hatred.
Um, actually I did read them. No one fullfilled the OPs question. Lots of opinions, none based on their experience with Tactical Response. Period. .
I will admit that I have never attended a TR class, probably never will either. Does that mean that I am not allowed to discuss the TTPs covered in the videos that are posted?!
I do not post my feelings about, nor my experiences with Mr. Yeager and our shared past here or elsewhere for that matter. I also do not appreciate what he has said about me in his youtube presentation. But what the hell dog I know, I'm just a dumb mechanic keyboard commando troll...
Those are double super top secret ASIs...Man, that is an awesome title. so, being a mechanic, is being dumb an ASI, or is that just the general observation? Same with the Keyboard Commando Troll, is that your secondary MOS? Another ASI?
Those are double super top secret ASIs...
Keep asking questions and they will be around to recondition your mind...
Well, I'm assuming you meant this and aren't being sarcastic. If that's the case, I'm pretty much done here.
Well, I'm not trying to convince anyone who has their mind made up, I'm just asking how you guys can justify ragging on someone who you've never trained with.
But, I will tell you that Tactical Response has the most REALISTIC training I've ever had. Almost all other training has been far too static. Basically training you for what you DON'T do in a gunfight. Start moving around on the average range or operating around other people, doing 360 degree scans and the like and you'll probably be thrown off the range.
You can do a LOT of training without violating any of the 4 safety rules that most instructors will not let you do because they have some sort of other "range rules" restricting beneficial training.
Not bending over to pick something up on the firing line is a good example. Which of the 4 safety rules does this violate? What happens if you drop something in an actual gunfight--do you raise your hand and wait for the instructor fairy to show up?
Here's one that will cause you NRA-50-rounds-a-day-bullseye-"self-defense" instructors to go bezerk: Keep your weapon pointed down range. Where is down range in the real world? Where is downrange at the mall when you have a shooter on the loose? If you don't train to operate in a 360 degree environment safely, do you think you will just automatically perform this in an actual gunfight?
What about relying on an instructor to constantly tell you how many rounds to load in your weapon and how many to fire on the target at one time? That's a great idea. Condition guys to just fire 2 to the chest, 1 to the head and automatically return to the holster. If I had a dime for every time I had to break a student of that habit, Holland and Holland would have my measurements on file in their gun shop.
Going along with the above, is the "scan" that the average instructor teaches: a quick glance over each shoulder that accomplishes nothing. The average student is not practicing registering what he is seeing, he's just trying to hurry up and get back to the holster for the next drill.
As I progressed through training, I always had a problem with these things as being unrealistic but it wasn't until I found a school that addressed these issues and fixed them that I really started to grow as a student and instructor.
I also like the higher round count. And I'm not talking about just ballistic masturbation, I'm talking about building muscle memory and about really trying to get a technique down, not just doing a drill once or twice and then moving on.
I also like the fact that there is not an emphasis on gear, as long as the gear works. Function over form. Now, if you bring a $4,000 pistol and it doesn't make it to the end of the first day without breaking, be prepared to take some ribbing. All the students are thinking it, Yeager says it.
Add to the fact that lodging is free and you have a money back guarantee, how can you NOT think it's worth a shot to try it out?
But, frankly, the members of this forum's expertise is of no concern to me. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just answering the question.
I'm done with the thread. I was really hoping someone who didn't like him would have an opinion based on training with him. I have yet to hear from anyone that trained with them that did not think the training was exceptional.
(And I don't mean just the people on this forum. The opinions on this forum increasingly carry little weight as I see the pinnacle of intellectual discussion around here revolves around "Can I strap an AK on my back while I pick up some milk at Wal-Mart?")
Good luck, guys. Be safe. Shoot straight. You guys have beat me. I'm done with this forum.
You are done eh? Why do you keep coming back? You were just here a couple hours ago..
At the risk of offending the OP, who I believe asked for people who have attended a Tactical Response but did not like it, I will chime in.
I have taken Tactical Response's Fighting Rifle and I thought it was a great class. In my class were a couple of police officers, a former Marine medic, an active duty Army sniper (just back from Afghanistan), a lady who had never shot a rifle before (no kidding) and a couple of Joes like me. Even though it was 100+ degrees on the range, everyone loved the class and got a lot of practical, useful training. Next to the FOF classes I've taken with Mindset Labs, its been the best value for my training dollar.
Why is that? Unless you don't like people speaking their minds about what they know with an instructor or class. From what I have gotten out of it is that the people who have actually attended a TR class think it is a very good class and they came away happy and better trained then before they attended. The only negative opinions from what I can tell are from people going by hearsay and internet videos with no first hand experience of their own.Got to say, this is about the most worthless thread I have ever seen on INGO.
I have taken 3 of his classes when hosted in Seymour. First off I am not fond of his personality, but I thought the classes were amazing and very beneficial. I took fighting pistol twice and his Force on Force "The Fight". The fighting pistol class was my first class ever. It was very overwhelming because of never having pistol instruction before.
I went into the class with a 1911. Never had a problem with it before the class. During the class it stopped running. Way to much dirt getting into it. It had target sights on it, so my hand was bleeding from tap rack drills. He let me use his spare Glock 21 so I could finish. (After the class I went and sold it for a Glock 19, best decision ever). There was one moment where I was pissed off at an instructor because he kicked me to get me moving off the X. Not a hard kick, but a kick in the butt to get my butt moving. But I learned to move after that. It was what I needed, not what I liked. There is a lot of time spend on mindset, which is also amazing.
I took fighting pistol over again the next time it was in Seymour. There was so much info that I knew that I didn't get it all in. It was a great refresher course. I picked up on a lot that I didn't get the first time.
The same weekend as the Fighting pistol was their Force on Force class. I had already taken Mindset Lab's Intro class so I knew what I was getting into. Tactical Response's Force on Force class goes straight into it. There is a pre lecture on safety and what was going to happen, but no intro like Mindset Lab's. Two days of straight FoF is very intense.
I feel James and his instructors did a fabulous job. There never told you to do something for the sake of doing it. There was always a reason and they explained it to us.
I will continue to take more classes from Tactical Response and other instructors.
Got to say, this is about the most worthless thread I have ever seen on INGO.
Ditto here from the classes I have taken from TR.