While in Chicago..

[Beemer]

I was just in Chicago with my family, great trip by the way. Thanks to all the helpful advice from different people on the forum, mostly with respect to the no carry, tactical pens and knife size. While I was there I met the boyfriend of a friend of my wife and I. He lives outside of the city and said he had several guns, but let his license lapse and so was unable to by ammo. Is that really true in Illinois? I thought it sounded a little extreme.
Secondly, on a much sadder note, while I was there I heard the news about a 6 month old child being shot. What in the heck is wrong with the citizens of Chicago?

 

[Max Volume]

Yes that is true. One must have a F.O.I.D. card to buy guns or ammo. That is::: "firearms owner identification" card. Illinoisians can not buy guns or ammo without one even in Indiana.

 

[Beemer]

So, I have never been asked for ID in Indiana, how do they regulate it?

 

[Slawburger]

Illinois State Police link: www.isp.state.il.us/foid/firearmsfaq.cfm

Law link: www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapterID=39

FOID is required for Illinois residents to purchase ammo. Does not apply to non-residents.


(430 ILCS 65/3a) (from Ch. 38, par. 83-3a

Sec. 3a. (a) Any resident of Illinois who has obtained a firearms owner's identification card pursuant to this Act and who is not otherwise prohibited from obtaining, possessing or using a firearm may purchase or obtain a rifle or shotgun or ammunition for a rifle or shotgun in Iowa, Missouri, Indiana, Wisconsin or Kentucky.

 

[Max Volume]

To get an FOID card one must apply in IL. I believe gun shops accept applications then there is the wait to get it in the mail.

I live near the border of IN/IL and I've had them ask me if I'm from IL when buying ammo to which I reply "no" and ask why. I was told they can sell ammo to IL residents but they must see a foid card. Being away from the state line sellers may not be inclined to ask. Not sure of the legal ramifications if they don't. Someone with more knowledge of the matter may come along.

 

[seldon14]

To get an FOID card one must apply in IL. I believe gun shops accept applications then there is the wait to get it in the mail.

I live near the border of IN/IL and I've had them ask me if I'm from IL when buying ammo to which I reply "no" and ask why. I was told they can sell ammo to IL residents but they must see a foid card. Being away from the state line sellers may not be inclined to ask. Not sure of the legal ramifications if they don't. Someone with more knowledge of the matter may come along.

I don't think so. An Illinois state law shouldn't be able to effect an Indiana resident, while they are in Indiana.

 

[aaron580]

Totally true. Buddy of mine lives there and cant buy ammo right now because he is waiting on his new FOID card. Its complete BS. Only advantage I see si that it makes buying guns a whole lot simpler due to not having to get a BC every time and doing tons of paper work.

 

[Max Volume]

I don't think so. An Illinois state law shouldn't be able to effect an Indiana resident, while they are in Indiana.

No, I should have made myself more clear. It supposedly applies to IL residents buying ammo in IN. The cashier at Cabela's was asking if I were an IL resident and if so needed to see my foid card.

 

[BrianJacobsen]

So, I have never been asked for ID in Indiana, how do they regulate it?

Oh Beemer, when you live in America they just don't ask. However, when you live in the Socialist Republic of Chicagostan they can't sell guns or ammo to the peasants or they might rise up against their political masters!

As a former inmate of the state I for one am delighted to be currently living in America.

 

[ultra...good]

Totally true. Buddy of mine lives there and cant buy ammo right now because he is waiting on his new FOID card. Its complete BS. Only advantage I see si that it makes buying guns a whole lot simpler due to not having to get a BC every time and doing tons of paper work.

No, they still make you fill out the paper work, run a background check. Thats the way it was 10 or so years ago when i lived there.
At gun shows and for private sales everyone checks to make sure you have one. So muc for that gun show "loophole".

 

[BrianJacobsen]

Secondly, on a much sadder note, while I was there I heard the news about a 6 month old child being shot. What in the heck is wrong with the citizens of Chicago?

Beemer, let me answer your question with a story. About fifteen years ago I was cooking at one of the big hotels in Colonial Williamsburg when a big ice storm hit. My Wife and I typically walked to work and that morning was one of the most nerve racking walks I've ever taken. Since Colonial Williamsburg is in the South they rarely get a serious winter, they don't typically get enough snow and ice to prune the dead branches off the trees. So as we walked to work that morning huge hundred pound branches were crashing to the ground all around us.

You ask what's wrong with the people of Chicago? They're unarmed so they can't prune the dead branches and the dead branches run the show there now. Unlike in America where criminal stories often end with this joyous phrase: homeowner kills intruder.

Or as Jay at MArooned calls them: dead goblins

And the worst part to me is that Chicago is exactly what the Diane Feinsteins of the world want to turn America into, no thanks!

 

[70R]

No, they still make you fill out the paper work, run a background check. Thats the way it was 10 or so years ago when i lived there.
At gun shows and for private sales everyone checks to make sure you have one. So muc for that gun show "loophole".

And don't forget about the waiting period. This also applies to private sales in IL. I bought my first firearm from a neighbor when I lived in a Chicago suburb a few years ago and I had to wait three days. Another example of a gun law that only affects the law-abiding folks.

 

[Beemer]

Oh Beemer, when you live in America they just don't ask. However, when you live in the Socialist Republic of Chicagostan they can't sell guns or ammo to the peasants or they might rise up against their political masters!

As a former inmate of the state I for one am delighted to be currently living in America.

Not sure if I was clear, I was just saying that how can Illinois regulate if a person comes to visit Indianapolis, loads up on ammunition and drives back. Not saying they should be able to regulate it, just saying it seems foolish of them to try.

 

[Beemer]

Beemer, let me answer your question with a story. About fifteen years ago I was cooking at one of the big hotels in Colonial Williamsburg when a big ice storm hit. My Wife and I typically walked to work and that morning was one of the most nerve racking walks I've ever taken. Since Colonial Williamsburg is in the South they rarely get a serious winter, they don't typically get enough snow and ice to prune the dead branches off the trees. So as we walked to work that morning huge hundred pound branches were crashing to the ground all around us.

You ask what's wrong with the people of Chicago? They're unarmed so they can't prune the dead branches and the dead branches run the show there now. Unlike in America where criminal stories often end with this joyous phrase: homeowner kills intruder.

Or as Jay at MArooned calls them: dead goblins

And the worst part to me is that Chicago is exactly what the Diane Feinsteins of the world want to turn America into, no thanks!

I agree with you, I guess my amazement is two fold, one how can anyone argue that gun control works and two, what is wrong with a person who can shoot a 6 month old?

 

[seldon14]

Totally true. Buddy of mine lives there and cant buy ammo right now because he is waiting on his new FOID card. Its complete BS. Only advantage I see si that it makes buying guns a whole lot simpler due to not having to get a BC every time and doing tons of paper work.

No, I should have made myself more clear. It supposedly applies to IL residents buying ammo in IN. The cashier at Cabela's was asking if I were an IL resident and if so needed to see my foid card.

I believe the law is written as such, but couldn't legally work as such. The law says you have to have a FOID to posses or purchase a firearm or ammo. However when in Indiana, an Illinois resident would follow Indiana law, and not Illinois. So as long as Indiana doesn't have some law on the books pertaining to this, it would not be legally enforceable.

If an Illinois resident didn't have a FOID and purchased ammo in Indiana and then returned to Illinois with the ammo, they could then be busted for possessing ammo without a FOID.


IL is a joke. FOIDs are legally suppose to be processed within 30 days. I've heard of them taking 4-5 months. The system is a joke. People have supposedly successfully gotten FOID cards for famous dead convicted felons, and pets. Then after you get your FOID you still get to wait 24 hours on long guns, and days on handguns. You are suppose to do the wait period for private sales as well as being required to record there FOID # and personal info and retain it.

 

[BrianJacobsen]

Obviously they can't control people leaving to get stuff elsewhere. When I lived there I used to drive to indiana to buy my cigarettes as the Il taxes were so outrageous. So they post Illinois State Troopers on the highways to pull people over randomly who are returning from Indiana. I keep telling my Dad (wholives there) that Chicago is essentially a police state but as he is neck deep in the swamp he can't see it.

 

[BrianJacobsen]

I agree with you, I guess my amazement is two fold, one how can anyone argue that gun control works and two, what is wrong with a person who can shoot a 6 month old?

As you know well the reason it is so hard to debate with anti-gun folk is that it is basically a crazy position. To use my Dad as an example again, he lives in Chicago which had the most gun killings last year? He really, truly believes that putting even more onerous gun laws on law abiding citizens can solve the problem. I've debated this with him for hours and he is steadfast that the real problem is average citizens owning guns. I honestly don't know how to reach him

As to your second point, I think the short answer is evil. I had a lot of bangers work in my kitchens over the years and it was really hard to comprehend the mindset. They really believe that they are fighting a war so their actions are justified in a sort of 'exigent circumstances or war' kind of mentality. If you asked them about shooting a six year old they would most likely say that it was a shame but bad things happened in war.

Sounds crazy I know but i sat there amazed many a time as some fifteen year old gangbanger strapped up on his way out at the end of his shift as I was trying to explain to them why staying in school was a good idea.

Gangs also prey on these kids lack of a Father and discipline at home and create a sort of twisted family and what wouldn't you do to protect your family, right? As i said, it is truly and profoundly twisted.

 

[04FXSTS]

Secondly, on a much sadder note, while I was there I heard the news about a 6 month old child being shot. What in the heck is wrong with the citizens of Chicago?


Second City Cop

Check out what Second City Cop says about the shooting Schroll down to the topic "CALL IT WHAT IT IS." The SSC believes the "dad" used the baby as a shield. An admitted gang banger with near 40 arrests and the mother was shot while pregnant with the child. Normal chicago doings. Jim.

 

[BK1962]

Just saw this on the news a few weeks ago and heard no further mention of it.

When your FOID privelege is revoked you are expected to turn in your FOID card to the authorities. Because it doesn't happen. The city has a task force that goes door to door to collect the now 2000 plus void foid cards so they can't continue to use them. And what happens if your foid is void and you have guns and ammo. Yup, confiscation and a trip to the pokey...

 

[miguel]

Damn, I thought this was going to be a "suggestion" thread. Like...

While in Chicago...**** on a potted plant.

While in Chicago...let the air out of a meter maid's tires.

While in Chicago...put a Packers sticker on each light post you see.

While in Chicago...DON'T GO because they are a den of thieves and gangsters!!!