When do think the S will HTF?

[troycowan]

haha been wating for this to pop up

This is funny because my buddy and I joke all the time about being ready for hell to break lose. I hope it doesnt happen but if it does i am glad that im part of an organization like INGO that has members that are ready to stand up and defend what we have. If it does happen I hope its not right now getting my AR in a few weeks.

 

[Hoosier Gun Coat]

It is not going to be a BOOM SHTF in my opinion, I believe we are already to a point where it is happening. You have to remember the sheep will grow accustomed to it and it will never seem any different to most. It is those of us who are awake that notice it.

I agree. I think it's going to be a slow erosion. Most of the population is really to ignorant to see what is happening.

 

[chraland51]

I heard a rumor a while back about the bammer having contingency plans for the national guard to patrol the streets and protect what is left of the banks should the economy really go into the tank resulting in runs on banks and rioting. I would imagine that if such a thing would happen, those with little or no money in the banks would head for the stores to loot what they could get their hands on. Those that were caught looting and rioting would then be shipped off to a local government run concentration camp for holding and re-educating.

I do not know if this was supposedly done with an executive order or if such an executive order already exists. Does anyone else know anything about this or is it just another one of those rumors floating around to scare people about how big our government has gotten?

 

[LEaSH]

Of course they are only rumors.

And contingency plans have been made for every imaginable situation. Not just the SHTF stuff we talk about here, but any kind of imaginable crisis - including ET's (not kidding).

 

[E5RANGER375]

I heard a rumor a while back about the bammer having contingency plans for the national guard to patrol the streets and protect what is left of the banks should the economy really go into the tank resulting in runs on banks and rioting. I would imagine that if such a thing would happen, those with little or no money in the banks would head for the stores to loot what they could get their hands on. Those that were caught looting and rioting would then be shipped off to a local government run concentration camp for holding and re-educating.

I do not know if this was supposedly done with an executive order or if such an executive order already exists. Does anyone else know anything about this or is it just another one of those rumors floating around to scare people about how big our government has gotten?

The ONLY legal way (by the constitution) that federal troops can operate in a military or Law Enforcement role in our communities is if the president suspended the Posse Comitatus Act. I dont believe its ever happened (i mean suspending it. its up for debate if the military has violated it before). Thats one of the things we never wanted when this country was founded was armed soldiers in the streets.

The national guard is a totaly different momster though. they are state controled by the governor, unless they are activated by the president then they become federal troops for that period of time. so the governor can use National guard troops to patrol your neighborhood after any disaster. its done all the time.

hope this answers your question.

 

[cosermann]

When you least expect it.

 

[Rogret]

We are living on borrowed time now. I think when food prices reach a level where some cannot afford the basics, when people find out what their taxes will be to pay back all that has been borrowed and/or printed in the last year, and what health care reform will cost them we will hit bottom fairly quick. This country is broke and we will probably never be able to repay the debt.
I think those putting the date 5,10, or 15 years away are being very optimistic. By the end of this year or beginning of next year things will take a turn for the worse. There will be another housing market bubble this year, continued high unemployment, rising prices and more and more debt.
Eventually crime will increase drastically. Smaller communities will have difficulty receiving food, goods and services. Farmers will find it difficult to protect their live stock, and people will need to protect their homes.
Prepare now. When food is in short supply and people are limited in what they can purchase for consumption it will be too late.

 

[Lex Concord]

The ONLY legal way (by the constitution) that federal troops can operate in a military or Law Enforcement role in our communities is if the president suspended the Posse Comitatus Act. I dont believe its ever happened (i mean suspending it. its up for debate if the military has violated it before). Thats one of the things we never wanted when this country was founded was armed soldiers in the streets.

The national guard is a totaly different momster though. they are state controled by the governor, unless they are activated by the president then they become federal troops for that period of time. so the governor can use National guard troops to patrol your neighborhood after any disaster. its done all the time.

hope this answers your question.

Actually the act only specifically refers to the Army. While the Air Force was added in the '50s (and Nat Guard, in some circumstances) is included, the Navy and Marines are only covered under Posse Comitatus by a DoD regulation, so O'bammy could theoretically direct the SecDef to change the reg and instantly dump Marines and sailors into LE duties.

Not a good idea, but that would be a quick out.

 

[Lex Concord]

We are living on borrowed time now. I think when food prices reach a level where some cannot afford the basics, when people find out what their taxes will be to pay back all that has been borrowed and/or printed in the last year, and what health care reform will cost them we will hit bottom fairly quick. This country is broke and we will probably never be able to repay the debt.
I think those putting the date 5,10, or 15 years away are being very optimistic. By the end of this year or beginning of next year things will take a turn for the worse. There will be another housing market bubble this year, continued high unemployment, rising prices and more and more debt.
Eventually crime will increase drastically. Smaller communities will have difficulty receiving food, goods and services. Farmers will find it difficult to protect their live stock, and people will need to protect their homes.
Prepare now. When food is in short supply and people are limited in what they can purchase for consumption it will be too late.

I expect commercial real estate to be the big bank buster, though I am not disagreeing with you at all.

 

[bmwdud]

When my wife finds out how many guns I really have. That's when the S will HTF!

i think that will be the same here
she might buy the gunoholic thing

 

[smokingman]

I expect commercial real estate to be the big bank buster, though I am not disagreeing with you at all.

I think the fall will start with states unable to pay bonds.Obama steps in and has the Fed print more money.Very shortly after the rest of the world will realize the dollar is worthless.I do agree with you on commercial real estate crashing,but in the short term it is just a symptom and the fed printing more dollars out of thin air will do more damage to the dollar.
I am keeping an eye on the fed,Obama,and the treasury to see how they deal with the great socialist state of Kalifornia.It is first in line for fresh minted dollars.

 

[Dsgnr_81]

I give it 3 years. Depends on additional bail outs, and how quickly the world catches on to the fact we don't intend to pay our debts...

 

[DRob]

I'm curious

I don't intend to refer to anybody here but I do wonder how many people are just preparing for SHTF and how many are hoping it happens!

 

[smokingman]

I don't intend to refer to anybody here but I do wonder how many people are just preparing for SHTF and how many are hoping it happens!

I have a 13 year old daughter and have 0 desire for SHTF.That said at this point there is nothing that can be done to stop hyperinflation and the crash of the US dollar.So preparing is just common sense to me.Even if there is not a break down of the basics being prepared lets me preserve/grow my families wealth.I will not be spending 50% or more of my income for basic things like food and water.It just makes sense to me to prepare,and I will not feel badly for those who continue to live life in denial thinking there is no way anything like that could ever happen to me.

 

[grunt soldier]

i agree. i hope my little 3 y/o girl grows up in a america like i did but i don't want to be that guy sitting on my porch waiting for the government guys to show up with a hand out so that me and my family can survive.

i would rather be prepared for what could possibly come and be wrong (which doesn't effect me anyway cause i eat the types of food and stuff i store) than not be prepared and have that 1 in a million situation happen and have my family suffer because i didn't prepare before it happened. just saying Chili and haiti weren't expecting massive earth quakes but they got them and look at the crazy stuff going on over there right now. looting everywhere and no food or water as the super markets have been raped already. and those countries fortunately get help from super powers like USA even in this crazy recession but who is gonna help us americans when it happens.

sorry rant off lol

 

[Cpt Caveman]

I'm leanin' towards the sooner rather than later camp. Of course there's so many variables with earthquakes, regular weather, and terrorist attack thrown in, no one could possibly predict when it'll collapse with any certainty.
My guess (and it a WAG)would be late October or early November of this year, folks. Here's my reasoning: With the political situation being what it is, come November, tensions are gonna be running high. If I were a terrorist I'd hit as many American cities at once as I could during this time. Trying to keep folks away from the polls and just generally mess stuff up. Coupla dirty bombs in a coupla major cities would make refugees out of hundreds of thousands of people and would further strain an already broke Gov't.
Even without a terr. attack, that time of year folks that have been foreclosed on and booted from their homes will all be looking to move in with relatives or worse trying to make it on the street. If the situation gets too bad, there'll be food riots in the cities and like has been said before population centers will NOT be good places to be then.

This was written in 2006:

The coming financial collapse of the U.S. government: Fed papers reveal what's in store for Americans

Sure doesn't look good, folks.

 

[irishfan]

I have a 2 year old and don't want to see it get into a total SHTF situation and him being in the middle of it. Personally, I would love to see America figure out what is wrong and do the right things to try and save ourselves. A natural disaster is something we can't always prevent but a man made disaster like the one on the horizon is all human greed and lack of tolerance.

 

[garlic_b]

The SHTF is very much like the Spanish Inquisition. No body expects it!

 

[garlic_b]

I have a 2 year old and don't want to see it get into a total SHTF situation and him being in the middle of it. Personally, I would love to see America figure out what is wrong and do the right things to try and save ourselves. A natural disaster is something we can't always prevent but a man made disaster like the one on the horizon is all human greed and lack of tolerance.

I agree completely. Novel approach, let's work together to unf*ck this country!

 

[patton487]

The coming financial collapse of the U.S. government: Fed papers reveal what's in store for Americans


Very good article Cpt, I do think that an economic collapse and hyperinflation are inevitable. Possibly forcing the US to convert to another form of currency(euro maybe?)

Remember what happened to Argentina just a few years ago
*Hyperinflation brought on by the government printing money to pay debts
*Runs on Banks, the Banksters froze all accounts and only allowed small withdraws.
*Banksters converted the peoples money in accounts to another currency wiping out 60 to 70% of the value of the accounts.

How would you react if you went to your bank next week and was told "Sorry, the federal gov has frozen all accounts due to the current economic crisis" ?