I don't know about today but the Army was training their troops to shoot at 300 yards and the Marine training involves different positions and different yardage up to 500 yards.
I went through Army Infantry OSUT in 1998. We shot at 500 yard targets during BRM at a range on main post Ft. Benning.
I went through Army Infantry OSUT in 1998. We shot at 500 yard targets during BRM at a range on main post Ft. Benning.
I can tell you from personal experience from Nam, that the round does not punch a clean hole. It does tumble and makes a mess out of a man.
Weren't these specific problems fixed when they went to the 62gr ammo, and the M16A1 with a different twist?
I can tell you from personal experience from Nam, that the round does not punch a clean hole. It does tumble and makes a mess out of a man.Yeah, the M193 round has a pretty good rep. I think the problems started when the military wanted a longer, heavier bullet to get better long range performance. The M855 round has some real problems, especially at close range. It is very yaw dependent. Up close the bullet tends to punch right through. At longer ranges the bullet has begun to precess and has enough yaw not to strike directly point on. This causes it to tumble and it frequently will fragment at the canilure. When this happens it acts much like the old M193 and does substantial damage, but when it doesn't it will just punch a nice clean hole.
I can tell you from personal experience from Nam, that the round does not punch a clean hole. It does tumble and makes a mess out of a man.Yeah, the M193 round has a pretty good rep. I think the problems started when the military wanted a longer, heavier bullet to get better long range performance. The M855 round has some real problems, especially at close range. It is very yaw dependent. Up close the bullet tends to punch right through. At longer ranges the bullet has begun to precess and has enough yaw not to strike directly point on. This causes it to tumble and it frequently will fragment at the canilure. When this happens it acts much like the old M193 and does substantial damage, but when it doesn't it will just punch a nice clean hole.
+1 I agree also. Only thing I might add is the shorter barrels in the M-4's also gives up a lot of accurary but more importantly velocity. This round relies on velocity !
I believe that it came with 20 round mags. If the military had not wanted a 5.56mm platform most likely, IMHO, the standard serrvice rifle would have been the AR-10. I think that you can find 30 mags for the civilan versions of the AR-10, though I have not really looked for them.
I carried the M-16A2 and the M-4 while I was an Air Force Security Forces member. In all of the time that I spent at the range I only ever had a few fail to feed issues, a couple of stove pipes and one or two double feeds (the mags were probably 15 years old and only used for training). I liked the M-16A2 much better than the M-4, to me it seemed like the M-16A2 was more accurate. Plus the M-16A2 had the M-4 beat on a point target by 50 meters (550 meters vs. 500 meters).
When did they get the A2s? When I got out in '95, we still didn't have A1s. The good, ole fashioned ones, no forward assist, skinny barrel, at one point one of my weapons even had the old style three prong flash hider.
I don't know if it's good they've upgraded or not. I liked our M16s. They were lighter, quicker handling in close space, more accurate, and had better triggers than the A2s I tried. But, they were old guns As to the reliability with the weapons, the only malfunctions mine ever had were with blanks. I liked them, a lot.
When did they get the A2s? When I got out in '95, we still didn't have A1s. The good, ole fashioned ones, no forward assist, skinny barrel, at one point one of my weapons even had the old style three prong flash hider.
I don't know if it's good they've upgraded or not. I liked our M16s. They were lighter, quicker handling in close space, more accurate, and had better triggers than the A2s I tried. But, they were old guns As to the reliability with the weapons, the only malfunctions mine ever had were with blanks. I liked them, a lot.
its a 55 grain .22 round. whats next, give our guys Red Ryder bb guns. bring back the .308.