Agreed.I think there are two stupid party in this group
Roads are for cars unless there's a bike lane. GTF out of the way, people have lives to lead.
Common decency.
There was once a time, I remember being raised with it drilled into my head, where if I were driving, walking, riding down the road and noticed I was holding up traffic, my reaction would be to pull over and allow the drivers behind me to pass and be on their way. It's nothing personal. Drive or ride however you want. But if you see some folks behind you, exercise a little common decency. (same for us drivers wanting to pass).
You have different rush hour traffic than I do. Often times a bike will be faster than cars at rush hour.I remember those same lessons. They were taught at a time when common sense and decency was the focus of most lessons. This goes hand and hand with pedestrian right of way at intersections. People who walk out without checking traffic or making traffic stop mystifies me. They are playing games with something that outweighs them 15+/1. Simple physics. In that collision, the pedestrian loses even if they are right... I think that if you cannot do the minimum posted speed limit and are impeding traffic, then you are a safety hazzard and should be ticketed and your bike impounded if you are unwilling to give right of way to the motorized vehicles. Every time I see a cyclist during rush hour traffic with a line cars behind, I shake my head.
I think that if you cannot do the minimum posted speed limit and are impeding traffic, then you are a safety hazzard and should be ticketed and your bike impounded if you are unwilling to give right of way to the motorized vehicles. Every time I see a cyclist during rush hour traffic with a line cars behind, I shake my head.
Can you name five roads in Indianapolis... heck, Indiana, that have a "Minimum Posted Speed Limit" that are not interstates, which already prohibit bicycles and farm machinery?
You have different rush hour traffic than I do. Often times a bike will be faster than cars at rush hour.
I agree. In the Butler/Broad Ripple area there are a lot of cyclist. Some are decent and considerate to automobile traffic and others are just jerks. They will ride in the middle of the lane instead of towards the right, don't stop for stop signs or lights and get mad at you if you want to pass them. What made it all worse is that the city took already congested 4 lane streets and took 2 lanes away to make bike lanes and a center turn lane. Some of these streets rarely have any bikes on them at all or very few. Sometimes, like near 38th/Illinois, your lane just disappears b/c of the added bike lanes. I ride a bike and try to be a considerate cyclist and not interfere with motorized traffic but unfortunately I'm in the minority around here.
Yes bikes may run red lights if they think it is safe or move to the front of traffic at a light and run a red only to clear the intersection safely by letting all drivers know they are there, get to their lane so that traffic can then flow. Don't worry though, driver's education and BMV written tests have already changed this year to reflect how car drivers should share the roads with bikes.
It's funny how we can justify our law breaking with ease and at the same time admonishing others to following the laws we admire by telling them to just get used to it.
depending if this was on 146th as I hate that trail as it has soo much glass and road debri that it almost guarantees a flat everytime i ride it and the flats it causes are not nice put a new tube in but blow the tire off the rim style. plus in hamiliton county the trails arent mapped or marked so you dont know when one starts, where it goes and where it ends. I do take the lane so that idiot drivers are forced to switch lanes instead of just being able to squeeze past millimeters from me(happens everytime i give someone room to do so in the lane). Also depending on the trail some do not want a person training on them as it could be a danger to peds.I about go insane whwn the bikers up here in their spandex take up a whole lane during rush hour, while there is a complete bike trail on the side of the road for them to use three feet away. I honk loudly at them. It is rediculous, but happens every day here. I suppose they are training for the Tour de France or something, and need the road for that?
ok the passing at a traffic light is becuase depending on what lane your in you could get run over easily. A common practice is in a straight turn lane to move to the front so that you dont get turned into be a motorist trying to turn and pass you at the same time. Plus it allows you to be more visible to all motorist at the intersection.I'm not saying it is right... I just know why it is generally practiced. In NY you would get a ticket for that on a bike because it is no different... you might in Indiana too if a cop actually sees it. Passing standing traffic at a light... I'm not sure about but again there is a reason why most people do it. It is a double standard but the standard is the same between cars and pedestrians... you don't try to run over a jay walking pedestrian when they try to cross the road when it is not their turn, you yield because you're in a huge metal box that can easily kill them if you don't, right or wrong.
I think the laws need some work to identify some of these same situations between bikes and cars. For now, I try to integrate as much as possible when riding a bicycle on the roads. It is what the law reflects you should do and it is safer because doing so is at least predictable to other drivers.
the light rule is only for dark and oh boy do i abuse it. I put out more light front and rear than a semi(no rule for cyclist on limiting the amount of light i can have only that i have to have it If i build my setup i want ill have around 11k lumens or more than a 747 landing.)Bicycles are vehicles, they have the same rights and responsibilities as cars. No vehicle shall be deprived the right of a lane... go read the laws on driving and bicycles in Indiana. Posted speed limits on roads are not a required speed... please look up definition of 'limit'. Law also states that bikes that ride on the road must have a white light on the front visible from 500ft and red light on the read visible from 500ft... so if you see a bike on the road that doesn't have proper lighting, they are not following the law... feel free to run them off the road...
Indiana Code 9-21-11
I ride my bike everyday to commute, exercise and general travel because I can. Indianapolis has 63 miles of bike lanes, 200+ by 2015, so you may as well get used to it even if you don't see bikes using the lanes when driving. It's funny you never hear people complaining about sidewalks that aren't used. Even if I didn't bike I appreciate roads that have bike lanes because those roads are safer because they do not allow people to speed as easily.
I ride everywhere except the sidewalk, because it is for walking and the interstate, because there is a required speed and against the law for bicycles to ride on them.
I carry while riding my bike. Like any other sane person, I would only ever fire my weapon if I thought my life was in danger. The main reason I carry is because I ride my bike in some of the sketchiest parts of town there are, at night... I would hope that I would only ever need to display my weapon to stop a bad situation from getting worse.
When I ride my bike, I expect any drivers to share the road and be courteous. I will take up the entire lane most of the time because I know the cars driving on that road may not give me at least 3 feet and it forces drivers to safely pass me just the same as if I was a farm vehicle... if this pisses you off or you think that roads are only for cars... you are the problem, it is the law... deal with it. Bicyclists do get mad at cars for passing them... but I think mostly it is because they feel you did not pass safely. I see this happen every day on my commute and feel like I'm going to witness a horrific head on collision just because someone couldn't wait 5 seconds longer to pass me. Yes bikes may run red lights if they think it is safe or move to the front of traffic at a light and run a red only to clear the intersection safely by letting all drivers know they are there, get to their lane so that traffic can then flow. Don't worry though, driver's education and BMV written tests have already changed this year to reflect how car drivers should share the roads with bikes.
If you buzz me or yell at me to get out of the road, I don't yell back or flip you off because that is pointless and although in most cases it may very well be deserved... my bike is equipped with a 120db air horn that is louder than your car's horn or a human's voice and I will use it my discretion to get driver's attention or vent my anger. If you buzz me or brake check me you will hear my air horn. And if you stop in front of me (could be considered assault), get of your vehicle and make threats... I will most likely view your actions as a threat to my life.
Cars have been described as a deadly weapon and used as such in many cases. A large 2 ton box of steel moving at a very high rate of speed can be life threatening to pedestrians, cyclists, motorcyclists and other cars.
Yes, some cyclists are not courteous Hipsters ... neither are pedestrians but they have right of way even when jay walking, mostly because a 2 ton vehicle can instantly kill them if you do not yield to them. I view people on bikes and motorcycles the same way when I am driving... it is just courteous. You will get there when you get there, you don't need to speed just to get to a stop sign or wait at a traffic light. It is called common sense and not being a d***.
This particular case does not sound like it fits the rules of stand your ground unless the guy was backing up, getting out of the vehicle, and walking towards the guy on the bike making threats etc. I don't know any of those details but I do think that if he actually did have a LTCH, it is possible that he may have had a reason to fire his weapon other than that the guy just made him mad. Or maybe I'm wrong and he is just an irresponsible 25 year old idiot on a bike with a gun.
Either way, please don't kill me with your car, respect others even if they aren't in cars and be careful out there.
Share the road means share the road.
Cars aren't supposed to pass bikes, they are supposed to treat them like any other vehicle.
If I saw backup lights heading towards me, I'd probably send one threw the back window too!
Read... or go RE-READ the drivers manual again if you don't know the current driving laws....
http://www.in.gov/bmv/files/Drivers_Manual_Chapter_5.pdf
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