"We aren't asking you to leave, we want you to stay and shop"...

[newdumdum9825]

i used to work at a Meijer and everytime i saw someone OCing id always great em and compliment them on what they are carrying and have a quick chat about firearms

but i will say this Meijer management only cares about money and looks at the customers and employees only as a number so i can see why they tried to keep you in the store

 

[Hayseed_40]

Be prepared to get a few cross-eyed glances (something you have never experienced right? ).

exactly - i think he gets his share of those

 

[ModernGunner]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'he can'.

Yet many of these SAME people, IF I walked in smoking a cigar would have a damn hissy-fit, screaming and shouting about how *I* have to "respect THEIR rights!" They 'demand' others be courteous and respect THEM, yet feel NO obligation to extend the same courtesy and respect to others.

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who carry a gun and those who don't. And perhaps with the LP guy and Manager, who are already pro-gun. Won't be surprised to see "No Guns" or "NO Open Carry" signs going up at Meijer now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think!" sounds really 'cool' on INGO. BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-gun lady ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in her community about YOUR gun rights.

The "I have the RIGHT!" crowd can spew all the rantings they want, but they also KNOW that the right is not 'unlimited'. Neither is free speech, and so on. Maybe he'll be happier when OC'ing is prohibited because of 'too many complaints from non-gun (or gun neutral) people'?

Don't Obama, 'Double Barrel Biden', Feinstein, et. al. already have ENOUGH people on their side without US intentionally adding to their numbers? Isn't the idea is to ADD people to the pro-2A side of the debate, NOT drive them over to the gun-haters?

Hey, this guy "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear he's doing whatever he can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

 

[bluewraith]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'he can'.

Yet many of these SAME people, IF I walked in smoking a cigar would have a damn hissy-fit, screaming and shouting about how *I* have to "respect THEIR rights!" They 'demand' others be courteous and respect to THEM, yet feel NO obligation to extend the same courtesy and respect to others.

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who carry a gun and those who don't. And perhaps with the LP guy and Manager, who are already pro-gun. Won't be surprised to see "No Guns" or "NO Open Carry" signs going up at Meijer now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think sounds really 'cool' on INGO. BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-gun lady ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in her community about YOUR gun rights.

The "I have the RIGHT!" crowd can spew all the rantings they want, but they also KNOW that the right is not 'unlimited'. Neither is free speech, and so on. Maybe he'll be happier when OC'ing is prohibited because of 'too many complaints from non-gun (or gun neutral) people?

Don't Obama, 'Double Barrel Biden', Feinstein, et. al. already have ENOUGH people on their side without US intentionally adding to their numbers? Isn't the idea is to ADD people to the pro-2A side of the debate, NOT drive them over to the gun-haters?

Hey, this guy "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear he's doing whatever he can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

 

[Bushido Devil Dog]

Wow...this song sounds strangely familiar....reminds me of a tune from the mid '50s-60's:

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? Mrs. Parks was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request to sit at the back of the bus turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story of a U.S. citizen creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'she can'.

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who are forced to sit at the back of the bus because of their skin color and those who don't. And perhaps with the bus driver and police officers, who may be pro-integration. Won't be surprised to see "No Blacks" or "No race mixers" signs going up elsewhere now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think sounds really 'cool' in the Constitution/Declaration of Independence ("...all men are created equal"). BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-black driver ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in his community about YOUR human rights.

The "I have the RIGHT!" crowd can spew all the rantings they want, but they also KNOW that the right is not 'unlimited'. Neither is free speech, and so on. Maybe he'll be happier when riding public transportation is prohibited because of 'too many complaints from non-black (or race neutral) people?

Don't the KKK, pro Jim-Crow, pro-segregation crowd et. al. already have ENOUGH people on their side without US intentionally adding to their numbers? Isn't the idea is to ADD people to the pro-freedom side of the debate, NOT drive them over to the race-haters?

Hey, this gal "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear she's doing whatever she can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

This is SOOOO true! Not standing up for our rights/ourselves so we can avoid awkward confrontations with the drones that are just following orders (polite as they may be) and acquiescing is the 100% best way to make sure things change. History has shown that nothing good ever comes from being confrontational when someone is imposing upon our rights. Submission on bended knee always makes the transgressor see the error of their ways and brings about rapid change to the status quo. Example:

Before:

After:

Oh..wait....maybe going along to get along...

...*isn't* always the best policy to follow after all...

 

[Bigtanker]

You handled it well. I'm not sure how I would have handled that situation. But since I am new to the OC thing (finally having something bigger than a PF-9 to carry) I am learning how others, like yourself, handle these encounters.

That Meijer is my main store for most of my shopping. I have OC'd there quite a bit. Most of the time I am pushing a cart with my 2 yo boy and 4 yo daughter in it. I haven't had anything said to me yet.

 

[CPT Nervous]

Well done. Too many would have covered it up, as they mentioned. Carry strong, my friend.

 

[sig-guy]

Wives are like that. Always ranting about something. You can't live with 'em.............

One thing to remember, she had his back in the store.

 

[sig-guy]

So, the moral appears to be: ...snipped a bunch of BS

To be polite and not back down to please people, who would like to take away your rights.

I can't believe you added the crap about smoking... which effects peoples health.
If the OP had been shooting... effecting peoples health, I could see you adding that. He was carrying his pistol, as you would carry your cigs/cigars.

At least you can step outside to get your fix. He would have to drive to an OPEN range to get his!

The OP did a fine job!

 

[CPT Nervous]

To be polite and not back down to please people, who would like to take away your rights.

I can't believe you added the crap about smoking... which effects peoples health.
If the OP had been shooting... effecting peoples health, I could see you adding that. He was carrying his pistol, as you would carry your cigs/cigars.

At least you can step outside to get your fix. He would have to drive to an OPEN range to get his!

The OP did a fine job!

Effect is a noun. You meant "affect." Affect is a verb.

 

[CPT Nervous]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'he can'.

Yet many of these SAME people, IF I walked in smoking a cigar would have a damn hissy-fit, screaming and shouting about how *I* have to "respect THEIR rights!" They 'demand' others be courteous and respect to THEM, yet feel NO obligation to extend the same courtesy and respect to others.

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who carry a gun and those who don't. And perhaps with the LP guy and Manager, who are already pro-gun. Won't be surprised to see "No Guns" or "NO Open Carry" signs going up at Meijer now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think sounds really 'cool' on INGO. BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-gun lady ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in her community about YOUR gun rights.

The "I have the RIGHT!" crowd can spew all the rantings they want, but they also KNOW that the right is not 'unlimited'. Neither is free speech, and so on. Maybe he'll be happier when OC'ing is prohibited because of 'too many complaints from non-gun (or gun neutral) people?

Don't Obama, 'Double Barrel Biden', Feinstein, et. al. already have ENOUGH people on their side without US intentionally adding to their numbers? Isn't the idea is to ADD people to the pro-2A side of the debate, NOT drive them over to the gun-haters?

Hey, this guy "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear he's doing whatever he can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

Really? Did you run out of purple ink, or are you just stupid?

 

[brotherbill3]

Good Job to the OP.

I OC and the Local Meijer regularly; Only thing I've had is a good conversation with another OC'er (he was "cowboy style" even and a lefty).

Oh, and I may have been 'observed' by staff a few weeks ago; but I ignored them other than to be polite and say HI ... no one said a word.

The 'Educate - 1 sheep at a time' is the only way to go. Its slow and tedious though.

Good Job - for realz.

 

[daddymikey1975]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Wrong... I carried openly as I had done numerous times previously with nary a comment. Where did I perpetrate the confrontation? I was minding my own business when I was approached my Loss Prevention and the manager. This opened up a friendly, polite, non confrontational dialogue (or did you fail to read that part ??)

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none,

Picking up some water bottles, milk, and pullups is not creating an issue, is it .. that's what I was 'doing' and nothing more, nothing less.

Yet many of these SAME people, IF I walked in smoking a cigar would have a damn hissy-fit, screaming and shouting about how *I* have to "respect THEIR rights!" They 'demand' others be courteous and respect to THEM, yet feel NO obligation to extend the same courtesy and respect to others.

Smoking a cigar in a retail establishment (barring certain limited exceptions) is against the law IIRC. Please point out the portion of the law that I broke ?

Where in my story did I make demands? I respectfully declined her request to cover a piece of steel/plastic of which I'm not ashamed. I offered to leave if that was going to create a problem, they asked me to stay and shop. Where was the lack of respect

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who carry a gun and those who don't. And perhaps with the LP guy and Manager, who are already pro-gun. Won't be surprised to see "No Guns" or "NO Open Carry" signs going up at Meijer now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

Seems as if this situation has caused YOU to get confrontational, no? Would you have preferred I submitted, lowered my head, and covered my gun(s) just to appease the sheep ?

I'm in sales and took this opportunity to go fishing for the manager's needs/wants. All she wanted was for the patrons to stay in her store and spend money. She offered a compromise which I respectfully declined. If I was confrontational they would have escorted me out and/or called the police.

The thinly veiled threat TO call the police was another attempt to get me to comply, which, again, I respectfully didn't and also made mention that I understand their right to request that I cover it, take it to my car, leave, etc and if I need to leave, that's absolutely no problem. They asked me to stay and shop.

I also posed a couple questions to help educate the manager. I asked if she took the opportunity to explain to the complaining party that what I was doing was not against the law and she said no. Maybe she will next time but I saw this encounter as positive (as referenced by my discussion with the LP guy after the manager was taken away for something) and can only help our cause. If SHE cares so much about the feelings of others, maybe SHE can help educate the next concerned customer. You go ahead and lay down and take their ridiculous requests. I almost missed christmas with my dad because I believe in being armed everywhere I'm legally allowed to do so. State law allows me to make the choice HOW I'm armed (concealed, openly, etc) and I make my choices. Not some store manager or whiny sheep.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think sounds really 'cool' on INGO. BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-gun lady ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in her community about YOUR gun rights.

She was pro gun. She didn't have a problem with me carrying, only having to deal with crybabies that don't want to see it.

Ask a breastfeeding mother to cover up. You'll see confrontation then.

Hey, this guy "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear he's doing whatever he can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

by shopping in a store that allows citizens to carry guns ? By having a very polite, intelligent, and respectful conversation with the manager and LP guy ??

Like I said.. you go ahead and live in fear and submit to the requests of the uninformed sheep. I will carry in a manner that I'm allowed to. You keep allowing others to make choices and dictate what you can and cannot do. I'll keep making my own choices.

The Rosa Parks analogy was spot on BTW

 

[ViperJock]

I wonder what would happen if someone called in a "this person is NOT carrying a gun." Could be fun....

*sounds upset* "Is this the manager? Good. I just want to say that I was walking around in produce just now and there is a man back here that is not carrying a gun. Thats right.Right, no gun at all. ITs spooky. Its weirding me out! I have to say that the way he is carrying that salami is down right threatening. Yes ma'am, I am concerned as well, thats why I called...."

 

[Hayseed_40]

Ask a breastfeeding mother to cover up. You'll see confrontation then.

I get confrontation when I ask if I can see...

 

[GNRPowdeR]

I actually had a similar encounter at an Indy area Hooters.

I was with a group coming from the last 1500 and the Mgr was eyeing me several times, like he was trying to figure out how to approach the topic. Eventually, he came over and asked if I was a LEO. Told him "no" and he told me that another patron had given him an ultimatum. Either he confronts me and "the firearm leaves or she was calling the police."

I informed him that I have my LTCH and that I was infact legal in what I was doing... Even offered to show him the LTCH & talk with the other patron about the legalities of what I was doing. He explained that he was fine with what I was doing and is a 2A supporter, himself. Unfortunately I had missed the "No Guns" sticker in the very top-left door on the second layer of doors entering the store. Like you, he didn't want me to leave, but he had to be sensitive to the other patron's concerns.

He wasn't being a jerk, and we actually have had a few conversations about firearms that night and since that night. I asked him about trying to inform / educate those that express concern about infringing on our Rights, but his response was that he wasn't the Big Boss & wasn't in a place to take that stance... especially with the Corp sticker on the door...

 

[Captain Morgan]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'he can'.

Yet many of these SAME people, IF I walked in smoking a cigar would have a damn hissy-fit, screaming and shouting about how *I* have to "respect THEIR rights!" They 'demand' others be courteous and respect to THEM, yet feel NO obligation to extend the same courtesy and respect to others.

This confrontation accomplished NOTHING except perhaps create some 'bad blood' between those who carry a gun and those who don't. And perhaps with the LP guy and Manager, who are already pro-gun. Won't be surprised to see "No Guns" or "NO Open Carry" signs going up at Meijer now, because of incidents just like this. Thanks.

All that "I don't give a f$%@ whatever other people think sounds really 'cool' on INGO. BUT, what these SAME people don't seem to realize is that the non-gun lady ALSO votes, and ALSO has a voice in her community about YOUR gun rights.

The "I have the RIGHT!" crowd can spew all the rantings they want, but they also KNOW that the right is not 'unlimited'. Neither is free speech, and so on. Maybe he'll be happier when OC'ing is prohibited because of 'too many complaints from non-gun (or gun neutral) people?

Don't Obama, 'Double Barrel Biden', Feinstein, et. al. already have ENOUGH people on their side without US intentionally adding to their numbers? Isn't the idea is to ADD people to the pro-2A side of the debate, NOT drive them over to the gun-haters?

Hey, this guy "has the RIGHT!", no doubt. For NOW. But it would appear he's doing whatever he can to help abolish that right.

GOOD JOB!

If we don't exercise a right due to fear of losing that right, then did we ever have the right to begin with?

 

[GNRPowdeR]

ModernGunner

Really? Did you run out of purple ink, or are you just stupid?

I wonder if he forgot his meds, was having a bad day, or was simply Trolling...

Yeah, he totally missed it...

 

[Mark 1911]

So, the moral appears to be: "be confrontational as much as you can, as often as you can"? The OP was asked nicely, politely, and more than once. A simple request turned into a confrontation.

Looks like nothing more than another story on INGO of a legal gun owner creating issues where there are none, for apparently NO reason other than 'he can'.

Maybe you read a different post than I did.

I didn't see anything confrontational about the OPs description of the event except for the fact that he was confronted by the manager and security. If anyone was being confrontational, it was the Meijer staff, not the OP. From his description of the incident, he handled it very politely, and even ended with showing the security man some video on his cell phone. That doesn't sound like a confrontational atmosphere. What the OP did was legal, and he should not have been asked to cover his sidearm. He stood up for himself and even offered to leave, and they said they didn't want him to. Being confrontational and not going along with every request are not the same thing.

 

[Dirtebiker]

my 3 yr old daughter uses my sidearm as a step stool to climb on me when we're rough housing on the floor h: