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  • Woodsman

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    And who will embrace the values and lifestyle without trying to impose theirs on Americans.

    +1. It would be difficult to remember how many stories I have read where old school parents who immigrated to the US said something to the effect of: You're in America now, speak English.

    Somewhere along the line, the heritage of people has either been lost of forced into political correctness. Hyphenated heritage is not a good way to address this in my opinion. Any person should be proud of their heritage and ethnicity, however, it just doesn't seem right that heritage be used to define unique categories as all it does is divide, instead of integrate.

    Equalizing Spanish versus Mexican based on language is no different than comparing British to American. Each comparison shares a common language, but has completely different heritages.

    The lady in the video link said something in one of her stories I have never heard before. If America had gates, which way would the traffic flow? Out or In?

    Why is that? Is it a sign that people want to come here because it is so much better than where they originate from, or is it because of what they can take?

    Somewhere in this subject is a large discussion on the importance of a persons heritage while being an American versus being a hyphenated American. This is something I think the old school and some relatively new immigrants understand and appreciate.

    If somewhere during all of this we do not learn how to be more cohesive as a unique culture based on the old saw of the great melting pot, those trying to divide will win.

    Rep's inbound to you for jumping in here.:cheers:

    As a relatively new member :welcome: (in more than one way I suspect!).
     

    pistol pete

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    My friends who are legal immigrants to this coutry ( Vietnam, Phillipens , germany, mexico ) seem to be more upset with illegals than those who slept through US history and Goverment class .
     

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    You must mean ILLEGAL immigrants. The legal ones, like myself, appreciate what they have here and dont want things to change. Our families left socialism and wanted better, and we dont take advantage of the system.
    You've shown you believe in working hard by simply going through the legal process for citizenship and just by the statement you have made. GL!
     

    Woodsman

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    My friends who are legal immigrants to this coutry ( Vietnam, Phillipens , germany, mexico ) seem to be more upset with illegals than those who slept through US history and Goverment class .

    This is another example. Those that go through the process have to work their butts off. I certainly don't blame them for being upset when they see others just move in and become squatters of sorts.
     

    Pilot

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    This is another example. Those that go through the process have to work their butts off. I certainly don't blame them for being upset when they see others just move in and become squatters of sorts.

    They dont work their butts off anymore. When I took the exam to become a citizen, you knew what the exam would be over, but you did not know the questions. You had to know the material. People, who have never taken the exam, say that any high school graduate could pass it. I beg to differ. It was a ton of studying.

    Now, like everything else, it has been dumbed down. They publish a list of 100 questions with the answers. Why learn about the US?? The government will give you the questions and answers to memorize.

    Interested to see whats on the test? Here is a link!

    USCIS Naturalization Test


    Great idea from our government.. Give away citizenship for a fee with a simple 100 question test that we give the answers to. What a joke and a slap in the face to those of us who had to work for it.
     

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    ... What a joke and a slap in the face to those of us who had to work for it.

    That's one of the points I thought was important. Those that go through the process have some pride in doing that. Others that just move in and hide under the radar demean those who followed the laws to be become an American.

    I was not aware the testing requirements were dumbed down like that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

    One of the things I think is probably most notable to an immigrant to this country is that they recognize an immediate difference from where they are from when compared to the US. For us natives, it looks like the same old thing unless the huge differences are exposed between 40 years ago and today. We have not noticed the small incremental changes that have occurred or have not been able to succeed in fighting those changes.

    I certainly enjoy having the perspective of a legal immigrant to add to the discussion. Thanks.
     

    Pilot

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    I was not aware the testing requirements were dumbed down like that. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

    I wrote to a congressman about this. They don't care. They just send yo a canned letter and that is it.

    I have been in the US since I was 4 but did go back to Europe as a teenager for 3 years and again for a year when I was out of high school. There is no place like the US and that is a fact. Why people want to bring their home countries government and socialist politics here is beyond me.

    I may get blasted for this view I will express, but I do believe in what I am about to say. I did NOT vote for Obama. And I do NOT agree with his health care policy. But I do believe everyone should have access to affordable health care. There should be provisions made available for people who cant afford it. At one point in my life, after I was out of college, I had no health care at all. I had always been healthy and never had a problem. I ended up getting sick and needing to be in the hospital for three days. No insurance meant I was responsible for the bill. It took me three years to pay it off.

    I do not believe we should have it given to us, but I do believe it should be available to anyone who needs it. I dont agree that people should be forced to suffer or be ill just because they dont have health insurance. I feel bad for the people who lose their jobs and have no access to insurance and for the older people who are retired and on fixed incomes who have to make a choice between eating or buying their medications. That is just plain wrong.
     
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    ...

    But I do believe everyone should have access to affordable health care. There should be provisions made available for people who cant afford it...

    I dont agree that people should be forced to suffer or be ill just because they dont have health insurance.

    I believe the original concept for the local hospitals was for just this reason. those that could not afford a doctor, went to the hospital. Unfortunately, as time passes someone will always have an idea of how to improve upon something that concept, thereby screwing it up in principle.

    I doubt you will be flamed for that post. It's a reasonable wish.

    Back to the comment on writing CongressCritters: hopefully more will start to pay attention now. I think most of the general public is pretty upset now.
     

    Pilot

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    Back to the comment on writing CongressCritters: hopefully more will start to pay attention now. I think most of the general public is pretty upset now.

    I wish more people would write and complain. What happened to working for what you want? What happened to proving yourself?
     

    paul1968mcr

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    Well it will be 4 years at Christmas since we landed in Newark, visa's in hand....and we have never looked back!

    We've had our Greencards 1.5 years, in another 3.5 we'll be able to apply for citizenship....providing we keep the IRS happy LOL, and we cannot wait!!

    We love living here, and it's true, most of the hatred directed towards the US, is fuelled by jealousy. We have met some of the kindest, friendliest, most sincere people here who made us feel so welcome, we could not go back home!

    There is only 1 thing I would change.....but I'll have to leave that to you guys who can vote in 2012 ;-)
     

    Pilot

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    Well it will be 4 years at Christmas since we landed in Newark, visa's in hand....and we have never looked back!

    We've had our Greencards 1.5 years, in another 3.5 we'll be able to apply for citizenship....providing we keep the IRS happy LOL, and we cannot wait!!

    We love living here, and it's true, most of the hatred directed towards the US, is fuelled by jealousy. We have met some of the kindest, friendliest, most sincere people here who made us feel so welcome, we could not go back home!

    There is only 1 thing I would change.....but I'll have to leave that to you guys who can vote in 2012 ;-)

    Welcome!

    I saw you are from the UK. I fly into London about twice a month. Great place to visit.
     

    tenring

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    My old lady came here many years ago from the Philippines on a visiting nurse program, and then hooked up with me [dumb broad], we got married and she decided that she might as well stay, so she started the process of becoming a citizen. The paper work was something else, but she was determined to see it through, and finally made it. She hates the fact that all those beaners are sneaking across and the 'guvmint turns a blind eye to it, says they should all be rounded up and shipped out. I have nothing against the legal immigrant what so ever, but come through the front door and not the back door saying that as long as I'm here, support me. Screw that!
     
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