I'm not going to get into the Natural immunity vs Vaccine immunity as I wouldn't have enough knowledge on the subject, to me it seems either would provide a layer of protection and that is what interested people are after.
Before covid they were working on using it for coronaviruses too. But, if they're gonna make it into mainstream use, it seemed that cancer research would have been the vehicle. People have more sympathy for desperate people getting controversial treatments. I dunno. Maybe they kept hitting dead ends.
I think if you couple that with the Scotland study I also cited (taking the high vaccine adoption numbers as possibly a valid stand-in for all of the UK) it should tell you at the very least that the vaccine is no help and quite likely a hinderance to recovery. I don't believe you could explain all of the variance in who is most likely to get sick, Vax or non-vax, as determined by who were the most likely to take the vaccine, but I'd like to see you try. Scotland had better than 90% having taken at least one dose, and one dose by itself is thought to be over 80% effective
One thing I wonder is, if a person's immune system didn't make a high level of antibodies to the virus during an actual WuVid assault on the body, why do they think it would respond more robustly to an IM injection recruiting some muscle cells to make fragments of the spike protein? Isn't that same person also likely to exhibit a weak reaction to the vax? Or, if a low number of virions in the initial exposure was effectively and quickly shut down by the immune system, might those with a weak antibody assay actually be the ones with the strongest latent response when seriously challenged and how would we tell the difference? Is antibody concentration an effective measure of antibody effectiveness?
While I could believe that a cohort with a high level of vaccination could produce a variant of concern if the vaccination is not highly effective, doesn't effectively prime the immune system to clear the virus and allows sub-clinical levels of viral load to persist (which seems to be the current state), Delta arose in India and Lambda in Peru and neither is a 'hotbed' of vaccine adoption. The only variant that might have arisen as you say was Epsilon in California and I'm not sure that isn't closer to a third world environment than we might wish to think. I believe I will withhold judgement on whether vaccines cause variants awaiting further data. It does appear vaccinated people certainly contribute to the spread of a variant once it arises
“You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time.”
I never realized that the vaccines could have been a reason for the other variants.
Won't find it in most countries. However, check out Sweden.
I don't know, I guess it depends on what you're are wanting out of the test. If you're wanting to know if you still have the same level of immunity that you had before, then it is my understanding that that type of test is worthless. I admit I don't have a real understanding of the ins and outs of it, I just know that as part of a study group they did a in depth look at me over the last 6ish months since I got vaccinated and it was not just a simple antibody test from CVS.
My advice would be to take everything you hear with a super large grain of salt, because there is not a lack of people making claims without any actual knowledge on the subject. Media, Politicians, random people on the internet, etc.
When do the first clones ripen?
I've always wanted a clone of myself, my wife doesn't think it's a good idea.
I'm really just after proof that I had it and it was not a false positive covid test. The wife and I had mild to strong symptoms but the kids only had a fever for a couple days. But symptoms wasn't much different that any other virus except the wife lost taste and smell but I did not.
I don't know if you develop antibodies for the N Protein from anything else. My suspicion is that you could, because there are other similar viruses to C19, otherwise why would they go through the hassle of doing a more in depth test for me. Could be it was just part of the study I don't know, if I remember I will discuss it at the next appt.
Sometimes... but it's not on very tight
