USPSA rulebook discussion

[Grelber]

The range is never completely safe

And it ain't never even close to clear, until after the match is over and everybody has gone home.

Wonder who dreamed up "clear" , maybe when there was a muzzle loader division ?

Another one of those weirdo USPSA things (although it is a really fun pastime if you can be charitable and overlook all the strange stuff).

 

[Coach]

And it ain't never even close to clear, until after the match is over and everybody has gone home.

Wonder who dreamed up "clear" , maybe when there was a muzzle loader division ?

Another one of those weirdo USPSA things (although it is a really fun pastime if you can be charitable and overlook all the strange stuff).

Muzzle loaders are stupid.

 

[Coach]

This is why taping a copy of the range commands to the timer is not a bad idea.

There are a ton of people who cannot read. Most of them live South of US 40.

 

[sporter]

 

[sporter]

 

[sv40sw45]

There are a ton of people who cannot read. Most of them live South of US 40.

I thought it was the one's North of US 40 that can't read.

 

[Tanfodude]

Damn Justin, that's a lot of work on those memes.

 

[Grelber]

The gesture pretty much nails it!!

 

[sporter]

Damn Justin, that's a lot of work on those memes.

Just killin time between Matches~!

 

[riverman67]

The gesture pretty much nails it!!

It looks like someone I know whenever he explains how many ****s he gives

 

[Grelber]

Actually opened the book (occasional insomnia issues).

If I'm reading it correctly 8.3.6 & 8.3.7 , when a competitor does not present a clear handgun and then wait for "if clear, hammer down, holster" then the r.o. must require him/her to unholster the weapon and show clear.

Right? No option?

Am keying off the fact that the word used is "must" and there does not seem to be any allowance for the folks who hurry the process.

 

[sporter]

Actually opened the book (occasional insomnia issues).

If I'm reading it correctly 8.3.6 & 8.3.7 , when a competitor does not present a clear handgun and then wait for "if clear, hammer down, holster" then the r.o. must require him/her to unholster the weapon and show clear.

Right? No option?

Am keying off the fact that the word used is "must" and there does not seem to be any allowance for the folks who hurry the process.

"if you are finished, unload and show clear, if clear, hammer down, holster"

It goes back to following the directives, instructions, commands of the Range Officer. Unload and Show clear is a range command. The shooter must follow it.

If they did not satisfy that command to the RO's satisfaction, have them go through the process again. As the RO the safety of the squad, your safety and your reputation, the sports reputation is on your shoulders.

I have had that exact behavior be a point of contention, but usually once the shooter (often new shooters to the sport) get squared away they view it is a good habit.

That is a good question by the way.

 

[cakelly1962]

I've had shooters that had already holstered before I even said the unload commands. Needless to say I made him unload and show clear. That shooter now waits for the RO.

 

[downrange72]

"if you are finished, unload and show clear, if clear, hammer down, holster"

It goes back to following the directives, instructions, commands of the Range Officer. Unload and Show clear is a range command. The shooter must follow it.

If they did not satisfy that command to the RO's satisfaction, have them go through the process again. As the RO the safety of the squad, your safety and your reputation, the sports reputation is on your shoulders.

I have had that exact behavior be a point of contention, but usually once the shooter (often new shooters to the sport) get squared away they view it is a good habit.

That is a good question by the way.

A person DQ with me because he hurried through the process and had an AD...when he 'showed clear' his mag didn't fully drop...he rushed through and put one into a wall....state match 2011 I believe..literally last shooter, last squad, last day of match. I generally hold my slide open and let the RO 'catch up' when going through the commands.

 

[rhino]

There doesn't exist a good reason for a shooter to rush through the unload and show clear, etc. at the end of a course of fire. It's a safety issue as has been noted, but it's also a critically stupid habit to automatically unload your gun by rote when you're finished shooting if you might ever choose to use a firearms for self-defense. It's a much better idea both with respect to the sport as well as avoiding conditioning yourself with bad habits to wait for the commands and obey them as commands rather than as a course of habit. That's a win-win. Getting in the habit of rushing through it is lose-lose.

 

[Coach]

If a shooter goes through the unload and show clear process and does not wait for me to say all of it and I am seeing it all happen. I don't care. If I see the hammer go down. I do not make someone go back and show me the chamber was clear. I know it was because the hammer dropped. If it was not clear at the point we would be calling the RM for the DQ. My level of being satisfied is different that some.

All the points about rushing through USC are duly noted and agree with.

I might add if as the RO I was not watching the shooters gun through USC; what was I doing? My job is to watch the gun.

 

[BillD]

Let's talk about the flip and catch

 

[Grelber]

If a shooter goes through the unload and show clear process and does not wait for me to say all of it and I am seeing it all happen. I don't care. If I see the hammer go down. I do not make someone go back and show me the chamber was clear. I know it was because the hammer dropped. If it was not clear at the point we would be calling the RM for the DQ. My level of being satisfied is different that some.

All the points about rushing through USC are duly noted and agree with.

I might add if as the RO I was not watching the shooters gun through USC; what was I doing? My job is to watch the gun.

Not the way it's supposed to be done.
Just follow the freaking rule book.
Learn and follow the rules or don't RO. We need a little more RO supervision.

 

[Coach]

Having gone back and looked I cannot see where Bill's statement applies to my statement.

 

[Coach]

I thought it was the one's North of US 40 that can't read.

Now that is crazy talk.