Untold History of the US - S1,E8: Ronald Reagan

[netsecurity]

Anyone see this?

Oliver Stone has a series on Showtime now that is very interesting. It goes way back, and covers some interesting political and military decisions made by the US. Great moments in history are covered which is why I have been watching it. But holy crap, this particular episode is the most biased left wing propaganda hit piece I have ever seen!

Reagan is demonized in every way possible in this episode. Blamed for every single evil we have today. I knew something was amiss when they started by saying, "The Right has always been dangerous, from the KKK, to Naziism, and now the Tea Party." I couldn't believe the depths they stooped to, claiming things like "Reagan could have been great, but IN REALITY..." It goes on to tie Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Bush staffers to the downfall of our country basically, while mentioning that (our future saviour) Obama attended an anti nuclear rally in DC, as if even then Obama was fighting the oligarchy.

I've noticed that all the ww2 era episodes were VERY sympathetic to the Soviets/Stalin, but I overlooked that. Now it all makes sense. Oliver Stone is a communist!

 

[trapp]

wow thats crazy

 

[Liberty1911]

You know you're dealing either with an outright dishonest person, or an incredibly stupid person, when they say Fascists are right-wing.

Fascists are socialists, i.e left-wing.

 

[loudpedal]

I know that they warned all of the Woodstock attendees that the brown acid was bad, but I think that Olie must have been colorblind.

Eventually his own work is going to out him for the delusional paranoid nut that he has become. He strikes me as an incredibly gifted guy who is hopelessly addicted to his own ego. Sad to see a talented artist turn himself into a cartoon.

HA HA I just re-read this, and realized that I could have substituted "Elvis" for "Olie" and still have been right.

 

[actaeon277]

His "movies" or whatever you call them have had their facts called into question before.

 

[NYFelon]

I've been watching the program to see just how distorted his grasp on reality is. Tenuous, is the only word that I see fit. I told my wife last week, as the episode on LBJ and Nixon ended, that he would give all credit for the end of the Cold War to Gorbachev. And boom, how'd the show close out? "The lion's share of the credit belongs to Mikhail Gorbachev."

Ronald Reagan was once asked his opinion on how to end the Cold War. His answer? "We win and they lose." Imagine that, what a novel approach to dealing with enemies. Defeat them. I love how he painted the Soviets out as victims of American Aggression. The man is either an intentional liar, or simply has little clue what he is talking about. Now, whether or not I agree with him isn't relevant. Oliver Stone's an intelligent man. So that pretty much leaves liar.

 

[No2rdame]

Oliver Stone is a nutjob, plain and simple. But, then again so are 90% of his comrades in Hollywood and much of California in general.

 

[lucky4034]

You know you're dealing either with an outright dishonest person, or an incredibly stupid person, when they say Fascists are right-wing.

Fascists are socialists, i.e left-wing.

Facism = Socialism = Left wing?

Now you sound a bit like Oliver Stone

 

[Liberty1911]

Facism = Socialism = Left wing?

Now you sound a bit like Oliver Stone

You're one of the people who needs to educate themselves on the political spectrum.

Leftists have been successful since WWII of portraying Fascists as right-wing. It was sort of a preemptive strike against those who called (and rightly so) communists left-wing.

I'm not going to do your homework for you, other than to say NAZI in German is an acronym for National Socialist German Workers' Party.

So, free your mind of the public education indoctrination you've received and educate yourself on the political spectrum. As a secondary assignment, find out why people think Fascists are right-wing, even though they aren't.

It will open up a whole new world of understanding for you.

 

[PistolBob]

Ollie Stone has a camera and the financial support of the radical leftists in the motion picture industry. Ollie is a very good story teller, a good liar, a good little propagandist. You recognize that but you're in the minority.

Don't be distracted by the soothing voice, images, and stories from this guy.

 

[lucky4034]

You're one of the people who needs to educate themselves on the political spectrum.

Leftists have been successful since WWII of portraying Fascists as right-wing. It was sort of a preemptive strike against those who called (and rightly so) communists left-wing.

I'm not going to do your homework for you, other than to say NAZI in German is an acronym for National Socialist German Workers' Party.

So, free your mind of the public education indoctrination you've received and educate yourself on the political spectrum. As a secondary assignment, find out why people think Fascists are right-wing, even though they aren't.

It will open up a whole new world of understanding for you.

I have no problem with you saying that Socialism is a left wing idea... but I don't see how you can narrow down fascism as being exclusively left wing?

You might as well say:
Left wing = bad
Right wing = good

 

[littletommy]

I saw an interview with Ray Manzereck, of the Doors, speaking about Stones movie about the band. Manzereck said, when asked about how Jim Morrison was portrayed in the film, "Jim was NOTHING like that". Haven't payed any attention to Stone since then.

 

[Liberty1911]

I have no problem with you saying that Socialism is a left wing idea... but I don't see how you can narrow down facism as being exclusively left wing?

You might as well say:
Left wing = bad
Right wing = good

I'd say that's generally true.

However, back to the point. Fascists are left-wing, not right-wing.

My initial reply sounded a little harsh when I re-read it. It wasn't personal, I just get impatient when people believe the whole NAZI's were right-wingers nonsense, when the opposite is true.

Someone with the Creature from Jekyll Islands' birthday in his sig line is obviously pretty smart, so again, I would encourage you to study the issue and then determine which wing of the political spectrum the NAZI's were part of.

 

[jbombelli]

I would expect nothing better from Oliver Stone.

 

[lucky4034]

I'd say that's generally true.

However, back to the point. Fascists are left-wing, not right-wing.

My initial reply sounded a little harsh when I re-read it. It wasn't personal, I just get impatient when people believe the whole NAZI's were right-wingers nonsense, when the opposite is true.

Someone with the Creature from Jekyll Islands' birthday in his sig line is obviously pretty smart, so again, I would encourage you to study the issue and then determine which wing of the political spectrum the NAZI's were part of.

The Nazi's don't encompass all fascism and thats where you are mistaken... Fascist principles can lie left or right.... Social Conservatism (the values that seem to best describe the large majority of your beloved Republican Party) are Right Wing ideologies and are fascist in nature.

Let's call a spade a spade...post 9/11 this new NeoConservative party wreaks of Fascism...

 

[longbarrel]

The Nazi's don't encompass all fascism and thats where you are mistaken... Fascist principles can lie left or right.... Social Conservatism (the values that seem to best describe the large majority of your beloved Republican Party) are Right Wing ideologies and are fascist in nature.

Let's call a spade a spade...post 9/11 this new NeoConservative party wreaks of Fascism...

You see the truth.

 

[Gino66]

You're one of the people who needs to educate themselves on the political spectrum.

Leftists have been successful since WWII of portraying Fascists as right-wing. It was sort of a preemptive strike against those who called (and rightly so) communists left-wing.

I'm not going to do your homework for you, other than to say NAZI in German is an acronym for National Socialist German Workers' Party.

So, free your mind of the public education indoctrination you've received and educate yourself on the political spectrum. As a secondary assignment, find out why people think Fascists are right-wing, even though they aren't.

It will open up a whole new world of understanding for you.

Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg Read, Learn....Prepare

 

[Liberty1911]

The Nazi's don't encompass all fascism and thats where you are mistaken... Fascist principles can lie left or right.... Social Conservatism (the values that seem to best describe the large majority of your beloved Republican Party) are Right Wing ideologies and are fascist in nature.

Let's call a spade a spade...post 9/11 this new NeoConservative party wreaks of Fascism...

Stay focused. The thread is about Oliver Stone comparing NAZI's with the Tea Party. On that point, I'm 100% correct about Fascism.

On another point, LOL, you're sadly mistaken if you think I have any love for the Republican party.

On a third point, I find your whole stance hypocritical considering you wrote this in another thread. You sound a bit Fascist.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it illegal to buy firearms with the ONLY intent to resell at a profit without a FFL?

And if it is illegal... then those who are blatantly doing it on INGO should get the ban hammer. (yes I am aware that it would be hard to prove... but it is a provision that should at least be outlined to deter these guys)

 

[netsecurity]

Stay focused. The thread is about Oliver Stone comparing NAZI's with the Tea Party. On that point, I'm 100% correct about Fascism.

You could say that Nazis, KKK, and the Tea Party all have nationalist agendas, but Oliver Stone didn't say "nationalist", or "social conservative", he clumped the "Right" into one big Nazi-like ideology, which is utter nonsense. Then he immediately went on to mention Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc. He's trying to tie everything conservative/capitalist to Hitler here. C'mon, I don't care if you are a left winger, comparing the tea party to Naziism, is exactly like comparing social liberals to Stalinism. It is extreme one sided BS. What is scary in the documentary is how often he uses terms like "in reality" to give his story line factual relevance, when it is extremely one sided.

Furthermore, the Tea Party exists to cut government spending, and support a limited government as espoused by the constitution. If obeying your constitution is nationalism in itself, then that is absurd. No one from the Tea Party has ever espoused racist beliefs or murder, yet they are compared to KKK and Nazis, which makes no damn sense. The deal is this...liberal progressives hate the constitution, and see those that support it as evil Nazis, or at least try and make everyone else think so.

 

[Birds Away]

You might as well say:
Left wing = bad
Right wing = good

There, now you have it.