Uganda Proposes Death Penalty for Gays

[mrjarrell]

Seems like the same things people were saying while Hitler was rampaging across Europe. That is the problem I have with Libertarians. If you see a problem, fix it before it turns into something worse. Think of all the lives that would have been saved, if we would have entered the war after Germany invaded Poland. No we listened to those who said "That doesn't affect us".
Our poor decisions killed untold numbers of American soldiers. Only fools believe that things that occur in other Nations has no affect on us.

Sorry to correct you, BE, but that...person...is no libertarian. Genocide is NOT a libertarian value and never has been. I'm not sure what he is, (although I have some ideas) but I am certain about what he isn't and that's a libertarian.

 

[LPMan59]

Also, black is not a choice, gay IS.

prove it. and show it to me backed by good references....i want peer reviewed articles and meta-analyses from respected journal. and no, (mis)quoting Leviticus is not a good scientific resource.

and while you're at it, please respond to my initial question: how do you explain the homosexuality that occurs in non-human species? i doubt very much that penguins and flamencos have the higher thought processes required to consciously choose to be gay. but i've been wrong before.

 

[rambone]

You're kidding right? So had we entered WWII sooner, we would have suffered fewer casualties? I believe the German forces would have existed in LARGER numbers earlier in the war. I also think that we were fighting the Japanese and Germany was just a sort of "bonus".

Just a small discussion of history: Had we gotten involved in WWII sooner, Hitler would not have had time to create the Atlantic Wall along the entire European coast, and D-Day wouldn't have ever been necessary. We could have gotten our forces into Europe sooner, and with less casualties, before the entire continent was fortified.

Also it could be argued that the Pearl Harbor bombing raid wouldn't have happened, because we would have been mobilized for war, alert, and our ships wouldn't have been sitting ducks in port.

Those were 2 major battles that would have been avoided. Its very plausible to believe that less American casualties would have resulted.

Do you believe in democracy? Because it sounds ike they're voting on it and expect 95% favor. Or is democracy only okay when it serves your needs?

Democracy leads to tyranny, and that is the point of this thread.

America is NOT a democracy. We are a republic. A republic is built on laws and protects individual rights of the citizens. Democracies do whatever is popular, even if the popular thing is murder.

"... And to the Republic, For which it stands..."
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Please watch this short video to understand.

YouTube - The American Form of Government

 

[haldir]

prove it. and show it to me backed by good references....i want peer reviewed articles and meta-analyses from respected journal. and no, (mis)quoting Leviticus is not a good scientific resource.

and while you're at it, please respond to my initial question: how do you explain the homosexuality that occurs in non-human species? i doubt very much that penguins and flamencos have the higher thought processes required to consciously choose to be gay. but i've been wrong before.

How about you prove it the other way? Obviously neither of you can do that as we are simply not sure. At least that is my understanding of where the science stands at this point. I would suspect that it is actually a mixed bag. I think there are some born with at the very least some predisposition.

 

[Phil502]

This is how we get into trouble? You cited Iraq, Vietnam, and Somalia, but oddly enough you left a few countries that the US went into off that list.

England
France
Italy
Germany
Japan
Korea

All seem to be doing fine thanks to the US. If it weren't for America and the Soviet Union, there wouldn't be any Jews in Europe. I have no idea how you can claim to be a Christian and then say that it's fine to kill an entire group of people who've done nothing wrong. What does it say in the bible again?

Thou Shalt Not Kill...in the United States
Love Thy Neighbor...unless they're gay.

Huh, those don't look right to me.

All of those countries were being attacked or attacking other countries. Uganda is not doing either.

 

[Phil502]

Just a small discussion of history: Had we gotten involved in WWII sooner, Hitler would not have had time to create the Atlantic Wall along the entire European coast, and D-Day wouldn't have ever been necessary. We could have gotten our forces into Europe sooner, and with less casualties, before the entire continent was fortified.

Also it could be argued that the Pearl Harbor bombing raid wouldn't have happened, because we would have been mobilized for war, alert, and our ships wouldn't have been sitting ducks in port.

Those were 2 major battles that would have been avoided. Its very plausible to believe that less American casualties would have resulted.




The Soviets bled the Germans pretty bad before the US was involved in Europe in a big way. The Germans did a pretty good job chasing the Brits and some French off the continent at Dunkirk. Of course US was fighting the Germans in Africa before Normandy. I am not sure we had enough soldiers trained well enough to take on the Germans too much earlier then we did. It's debatable.

 

[dross]

When we become perfect and our country without flaw of any sort and a complete utopia for any person regardless of their beliefs, then and only then do we have any business telling them what is right and what is wrong. What I am saying is that it is none of our business. We have the USA to run and live in and protect. In case you've forgotten, we are currently fighting a war (several actually) that can not be won against people that believe differently from us and think we are satan because of our beliefs. How would imposing our way of life upon the people of Uganda make us any different than the Muslim radicals that want to impose their values upon us?

I don't think Uganda is the place to "impose our beliefs" but I take issue with your view about when we should or should not get involved. If the standard before you can do right is that you must be without flaw yourself, right would never be done. There are levels of right and wrong. I disagree with the death penalty, and personally believe that it's a moral outrage. The death penalty for being homosexual, or for having a different religion, however, is a much worse moral outrage. Stealing is wrong, so is murder. The linear difference between the two wrongs makes all the difference.

When we invade a country held hostage by thugs, like Iraq, they are not a "soverign nation". It's the same as if your neighbors were being held hostage at gunpoint. It's poor reasoning to say, "What goes on in my neighbor's house is their business." Now, do you have an obligation to help your neighbor. I think you have moral obligation if you're able. For instance, we could invade Somalia and provide food (though that worked out terribly.) We couldn't invade North Korea and feed their starving, because the thug who has kidnapped all those people will potentiall launch a devastating attack on South Korea, so we sit by. Our lack action in one instance does not create a moral burden to action in another. In foreign policy, our primary focus should be on our own interests, but that doesn't have to be our ONLY motivator.

Seems like the same things people were saying while Hitler was rampaging across Europe. That is the problem I have with Libertarians. .

I disagree with your statement. The Libertarian party has been non-interventionist. Libertarians like myself believe that we should never attack a country of free people except in defense, attacking a country under dictatorship when it serves our interest is perfectly acceptable.

Some have used the phrase, "impose our values." That statement makes no sense. You can't impose freedom. The words are incompatible.

"How dare you free me from a thug who gave me no choices and impose on my the ability to choose for myself!" Makes no sense.

You're kidding right? So had we entered WWII sooner, we would have suffered fewer casualties? I believe the German forces would have existed in LARGER numbers earlier in the war. I also think that we were fighting the Japanese and Germany was just a sort of "bonus". I really cannot even remotely see a parallel here, Uganda is in NO WAY attempting to impose their beliefs upon the rest of the world, not even a small section of it. Nor has Uganda attacked the USA. If you recall, it was ultimately the attack on Pearl Harbor that caused us to enter WWII and had we not been attacked, we likely would have never involved ourselves. It was not our war until then and we kept out of it for that reason. Until this effects our way of life, we have NO BUSINESS getting involved. We are not the world police and shouldn't be. Who died and made us the biggest kid on the playground? You are all beginning to sound like the friggin' UN counsel. Let's not forget who the real enemy is here. Leet's not forget WHY they are the enemy. SO what do we do after we intervene and tell the big bad foreign government how to run their country? Do we set them up with a constitution and a democracy? How's that working out in the middle east? What sort of resources are there in Uganda that we need to protect for ourselves? It seems that the number of supporters this has in Uganda means that it is what they want.

You can't reasonably equate WWII with Uganda. If Japan hadn't attacked us, and the Germans had conquered Europe, and the Japanese taken over Asia, and they grew stronger, we might have found ourselves in a war we couldn't win. Hitler and his leadership knew and I believe they said, that an early stand would have precluded the war.

You guys are aware that this constant imposition of our values and beliefs are the reason the rest of the world hates us right?

Unsupported assertion. The whole world doesn't hate us, much of it loves us. You can't impose freedom, you can only provide it.

Do you believe in democracy? Because it sounds ike they're voting on it and expect 95% favor. Or is democracy only okay when it serves your needs?

I absolutely, positively, DO NOT believe in democracy. Terrible form of government and just as prone to tyranny as dictatorship. I believe in a constitutional republic with democratic institutions. We need to dispel the misinformation that we livei in a democracy.

Also, black is not a choice, gay IS.

Unsupported assertion. This is true just because you say it is?

This is the problem I have with socialsts. Hey my engine has a bad knock in it, would you come over and fix it for me before it blows? I know it's not your problem, but I just don't feel like doing it.


MY GOD IF YOU PEOPLE EVEN HAD THE SLIGHTEST CLUE. Is this a gun forum or a community theater group? I'm really starting to see how the great "O" got elected. All you "conservatives" out there aren't conservatives at all. You're a bunch of pinko socialists hiding in the closet. Shut up and quit complaining about our administration, you've got what you wanted. What a bunch of sheep. I don't think there's but a SMALL handful of people left that even know what they want without being told by someone else and even then they don't know WHY they want it. You people make me sick.

Why get personal? Why so emotional? This is a discussion. I promise you, I don't have a socialist ideal in my body. As to being a sheep, if you met me I don't think that particular animal would come to your mind at all. I'm sorry to hear we make you sick. Take a dose of lighten up, wash it down with some self-importance antidote, and finish off with a big gulp of my-unsupported-assertions-ain't-fact-even-if-I throw-in-some-Bible-verses-and-insults.

Do that, and trust me, you'll feel better in the morning.