UAW On Strike

[DoggyDaddy]

Typing long messages on a phone while living in fear because the wife is driving causes me to have panic attacks and fail to formulate coherent sentences...even more than usual

Wait... you let your wife drive?? You're a braver man than me.

 

[Rookie]

If they would not have given ip COLA I wonder how much of that 40% request they would already have? Although their waistlines look healthier without all that added sugar from farm program socialism er I mean subsidies

20%

 

[foszoe]

Wait... you let your wife drive?? You're a braver man than me.

Well she just had eye surgery so had to test them out while we can still sue
.I mean redistribute wealth in keeping with our current discussions

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Well she just had eye surgery so had to test them out while we can still sue
.I mean redistribute wealth in keeping with our current discussions

You know, there are safer ways to do that...

 

[Creedmoor]

I mean. Who gives a **** about the working class people who were laid off without a strike fund to help feed their families.

Going on strike is never taken lightly by Union members, it affects there income also.

But with reality, I'm not sure it really matters to most.
The right to strike comes with most that work under Collective Bargaining Agreements. Sometimes if will affect those that work under those who are on strike.
I would say if those that work are non union and feed Union Workers, and they are unhappy and unemployed or are facing being unemployed right now, maybe they should seek different employment.
Life's tough, get a helmet...

 

[foszoe]

You know, there are safer ways to do that...

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3d depth perception testing .

We made it safely enough. I talk with a lisp now. Tongue severed. Our Brave GSD gave up looking out the window and cowered behind the seats, whimpering.

I've been meaning to replace the ole **** handle with somethingmore robust...it's now mandatory

 

[sadclownwp]

That's part of it, but they also want back what they gave up in the lean times (ie. 2008). Was it fair to the workers to "redistribute" their wealth back to the companies back then? If yes, then it seems like turnabout would be fair play. I think that's what the Japanese (and Korean?) companies have done right. The workers do better when the company does better.

But they are going into lean times again. Also with the coat of living thing, if interest rates go down, should pay go down too?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

But they are going into lean times again. Also with the coat of living thing, if interest rates go down, should pay go down too?

Their pay did go down. It just never went back up. I can see both sides to it. As @Rookie said, if they hadn't given up COLA, they'd be making 20% more right now. So to me, that seems like Ford's offer of a 20% increase seems legitimate.

 

[jamil]

Going on strike is never taken lightly by Union members, it affects there income also.

But with reality, I'm not sure it really matters to most.
The right to strike comes with most that work under Collective Bargaining Agreements. Sometimes if will affect those that work under those who are on strike.
I would say if those that work are non union and feed Union Workers, and they are unhappy and unemployed or are facing being unemployed right now, maybe they should seek different employment.
Life's tough, get a helmet...

Which is another way of saying what I said. **** 'em. Right? You guys earn your stereotypes.

 

[Creedmoor]

Which is another way of saying what I said. **** 'em. Right? You guys earn your stereotypes.

And what stereotype would that be?

 

[jamil]

Because I see mischaracterization of u.ion MEMBERS based on one's understanding of unions.

In other words, stereotypes? Are some stereotypes not earned? I don't think anyone is disparaging all union members. People who have the sort of individualist ethos are not going to agree with the idea of unions. But that doesn't mean we think all union people embody the stereotypical union thug. But, some people tend to confirm the stereotype.

Now Creedmoor may be completely wrong on the latter and everyone else correct..or vice versa., but when the treatment of a person becomes abstracted to a collective, then the person is dehumanizing and it becomes easier to label and denigrate.

Such BEHAVIOR, judging behavior not the person, leads to a failure to recognize the icon or age of Christ imprinted on every human being.

I kinda think you're judging a bit here with "such behavior". Maybe you've misjudged the behavior. Or maybe some of us confirm whatever stereotype you have in mind. I dunno. I'm not a fan of unions, but I'm not against them. I mean I'm not advocating for their demise, though karma might tend to work things out for balance.

On INGO, that behavior is accepted by those that hold the majority view but thwre is an inherent bias against the minority view.

For example, a majority viewpoint holder will hold accountable a member of the minority through post replies to the point where a pile on begins. However if another member of the majority commits the same error/behavior there is no accountability.

Would help if you gave examples.

Then for the mods, they only see the dogpiles which skews moderation through no fault of theirs, based on the squeaky wheel philosophy.

I dunno. Overall, this looks like a lot was packed into Yes, Yes.

 

[jamil]

And what stereotype would that be?

You already know. We've been talking about it all thread.

Not all union members confirm the stereotype. The militant loud ones sure drives those stereotypes.

 

[jamil]

I don't believe that most of America really cares.

I don't think "America" cares much if cars are even made here.

 

[jamil]

That's part of it, but they also want back what they gave up in the lean times (ie. 2008). Was it fair to the workers to "redistribute" their wealth back to the companies back then? If yes, then it seems like turnabout would be fair play. I think that's what the Japanese (and Korean?) companies have done right. The workers do better when the company does better.

I think COLA is a losing deal for companies just like pensions. But, it was bargained in the contract, and then later bargained out of the contract. The companies don't owe them what they would have made if COLA were in place.

I think the current offers on the table are more than fair. At this point it's more about getting more because they think there's more to be had, not because of anything value oriented. I mean, making $40/hour for just general labor is pretty astonishing. Plus the COLA is back on the table.

It's more than reasonable. Are they gonna take it? No. They think they can get more. Maybe they can. But I think wealth redistribution describes it. They think they're more entitled to the company's profits than the shareholders.

 

[sadclownwp]

Their pay did go down. It just never went back up. I can see both sides to it. As @Rookie said, if they hadn't given up COLA, they'd be making 20% more right now. So to me, that seems like Ford's offer of a 20% increase seems legitimate.

Did it? Cause seems with their yearly bonus, it has more or less kept up with inflation.

 

[Creedmoor]

You already know. We've been talking about it all thread.

Not all union members confirm the stereotype. The militant loud ones sure drives those stereotypes.

But while with some it is a natural instinctive emotion, jealousy can have a powerful effect on your mental health. Feelings of jealousy and envy can often cause anxiety, poor self-esteem, and emotional self-sabotage.

 

[jamil]

But while with some it is a natural instinctive emotion, jealousy can have a powerful effect on your mental health. Feelings of jealousy and envy can often cause anxiety, poor self-esteem, and emotional self-sabotage.

which tends to lead one to think that his employer owes him a significant piece of the profits. Being jealous of other people's wealth make them say things like "eat the rich".

 

[jamil]

The company had made record profits, I deserve a piece of that..

Sounds about the same to my ears.

Explain.

 

[jamil]

If they would not have given ip COLA I wonder how much of that 40% request they would already have? Although their waistlines look healthier without all that added sugar from farm program socialism er I mean subsidies

If giving up COLA cost workers 20%, and the company is now willing to give them 25% plus COLA, is that not fair? Is that not restoring what they had and then some?

Or is it that the union is looking at profits and using that to justify getting even more. That because they made those profits, they should get some too? But owners are entitled to the profits. Buy some stock if you want a piece of the profits.

 

[jamil]

Typing long messages on a phone while living in fear because the wife is driving causes me to have panic attacks and fail to formulate coherent sentences...even more than usual

BTDT.