UAW On Strike

[foszoe]

Heh… what’s that saying? Don’t attribute to malice that can easily be explained by incompetence? (Something like that).

When socialists espouse socialist stuff, they generally mean for it to punish who they consider the oppressors while the oppressed reap the rewards. I don’t think Fein envisions a future where the machine operator has to wait in line for his government cheese. He thinks he can bring the rich to their knees by forcing them to redistribute their wealth.

Why is it called redistribution of wealth when a union does it and asking for a raise when individuals do?

 

[bobzilla]

Why is it called redistribution of wealth when a union does it and asking for a raise when individuals do?

Do individuals hold entire segments of the economy hostage to force through their desires? I mean I've asked and gotten lots of raises over the years and I don't remember once throwing a tantrum and walking out until I got my way.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Why is it called redistribution of wealth when a union does it and asking for a raise when individuals do?

Workers of the world unite and that sort of world view.

 

[foszoe]

How?

Because I see mischaracterization of u.ion MEMBERS based on one's understanding of unions.

Now Creedmoor may be completely wrong on the latter and everyone else correct..or vice versa., but when the treatment of a person becomes abstracted to a collective, then the person is dehumanizing and it becomes easier to label and denigrate.

Such BEHAVIOR, judging behavior not the person, leads to a failure to recognize the icon or age of Christ imprinted on every human being.

On INGO, that behavior is accepted by those that hold the majority view but thwre is an inherent bias against the minority view.

For example, a majority viewpoint holder will hold accountable a member of the minority through post replies to the point where a pile on begins. However if another member of the majority commits the same error/behavior there is no accountability.

Then for the mods, they only see the dogpiles which skews moderation through no fault of theirs, based on the squeaky wheel philosophy.

 

[bobzilla]

Because I see mischaracterization of u.ion MEMBERS based on one's understanding of unions.

Now Creedmoor may be completely wrong on the latter and everyone else correct..or vice versa., but when the treatment of a person becomes abstracted to a collective, then the person is dehumanizing and it becomes easier to label and denigrate.

Such BEHAVIOR, judging behavior not the person, leads to a failure to recognize the icon or age of Christ imprinted on every human being.

On INGO, that behavior is accepted by those that hold the majority view but thwre is an inherent bias against the minority view.

For example, a majority viewpoint holder will hold accountable a member of the minority through post replies to the point where a pile on begins. However if another member of the majority commits the same error/behavior there is no accountability.

Then for the mods, they only see the dogpiles which skews moderation through no fault of theirs, based on the squeaky wheel philosophy.

Did union MEMBERS elect Fain?

Did/Do union MEMBERS agree with these demands?

Do MEMBERS agree holding a large part of the nation hostage to get these demands met is the right way to do it?

Then those MEMBERS should be pointed out and their actions put on trial.

 

[foszoe]

Do individuals hold entire segments of the economy hostage to force through their desires? I mean I've asked and gotten lots of raises over the years and I don't remember once throwing a tantrum and walking out until I got my way.

Maybe you should do it some. My best raises came that way.

As to holding hostage, and I will concede you language only to ask mine. Within the context of the current struke, Are their actions unconstitutional? It there are acting within their rights and not attempting to overthrow the government to set up socialism?

There is strength in numbers when attempting to achieve a desired objective.

Maybe I am calloused but they don't owe you or your customers anything anyway. The vocal posters say they aren't gonna buy from union made anymore anyway so they've already lost that customer base, if true. They won't get any of that back by ending the strike now and so far the companies don't believe that rhetoric or they would not keep negotiating.

If the UAW takes down the big three and non union cars become the rage as a result then car repair shops will have cars to fix so this whole hostage rhetoric is mostly bs and even if true, mostly short term

 

[bwframe]

 

[bobzilla]

Maybe you should do it some. My best raises came that way.

As to holding hostage, and I will concede you language only to ask mine. Within the context of the current struke, Are their actions unconstitutional? It there are acting within their rights and not attempting to overthrow the government to set up socialism?

There is strength in numbers when attempting to achieve a desired objective.

Maybe I am calloused but they don't owe you or your customers anything anyway. The vocal posters say they aren't gonna buy from union made anymore anyway so they've already lost that customer base, if true. They won't get any of that back by ending the strike now and so far the companies don't believe that rhetoric or they would not keep negotiating.

If the UAW takes down the big three and non union cars become the rage as a result then car repair shops will have cars to fix so this whole hostage rhetoric is mostly bs and even if true, mostly short term

You are all over the place with this and I"m not sure where to start to be honest. What they are doing, to my knowledge, is not unconstitutional. Not sure where you got the idea that this is what I'm saying but it isn't and has never been. I've also never said they're setting up socialism, that is other members comments and not mine.

Numbers and strength are a known thing. There's nothing to debate there.

They do owe their customers. The callousness is how they have and are losing them. "I got mine" attitude runs people off and closes businesses.

They take down the big 3 and those cars are still on the road. We cant get parts for them we are where we are now. Pissed off people and broken cars.

 

[foszoe]

And US citizens elected Biden, but I ain't holding you accountable. Do you agree with all the actions of all of your elected officials?

You dont know what the vote of any individual member was and they arent obligated to tell you. When you choose to personally attack another INGO member thats wrong.

if by demands you mean strike demands, sure the reasons and reasoning can be debated but, i believe, calling people socialist and communist over this stike is just inflammatory rhetoric designed to provoke and emotionl response to allow the pack to feed. Or Trolling

Did union MEMBERS elect Fain?

Did/Do union MEMBERS agree with these demands?

Do MEMBERS agree holding a large part of the nation hostage to get these demands met is the right way to do it?

Then those MEMBERS should be pointed out and their actions put on trial.

 

[Rookie]

And US citizens elected Biden, but I ain't holding you accountable. Do you agree with all the actions of all of your elected officials?

You dont know what the vote of any individual member was and they arent obligated to tell you. When you choose to personally attack another INGO member thats wrong.

if by demands you mean strike demands, sure the reasons and reasoing can be devated but, i believe, calling people socialist and communist over this stike is just inflammatory rhetoric designed to provoke and emotionl response to allow the pack to feed. Or Trolling

Be careful, you might end up joining us terrorists.

 

[foszoe]

Typing long messages on a phone while living in fear because the wife is driving causes me to have panic attacks and fail to formulate coherent sentences...even more than usual

You are all over the place with this and I"m not sure where to start to be honest. What they are doing, to my knowledge, is not unconstitutional. Not sure where you got the idea that this is what I'm saying but it isn't and has never been. I've also never said they're setting up socialism, that is other members comments and not mine.

Numbers and strength are a known thing. There's nothing to debate there.

They do owe their customers. The callousness is how they have and are losing them. "I got mine" attitude runs people off and closes businesses.

They take down the big 3 and those cars are still on the road. We cant get parts for them we are where we are now. Pissed off people and broken cars.

 

[foszoe]

Be careful, you might end up joining us teterrorists.

Nah. I provide enough posts that everyone has a reason to hate on me

 

[Creedmoor]

Does that surprise you? Does it matter?

No it doesn't surprise me at all. No matter the topic, Haters gonna Hate.
To me? I find it all humorous.

 

[Creedmoor]

US auto workers' union boss says strikes will continue in bid for better offers from companies

United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain said Friday that while Detroit’s automakers have increased their wage and benefit offers, he believes the union can gain more if it holds out longer in its contract talks.

apnews.com

I though they had no more F's to give. Hum...

 

[Creedmoor]

I'd bet on soon.

Even Fain has to know that every time he opens his mouth, he is losing favor with the American public.

He needs to hurry up and take the W, while he can still blame all the negative repercussions on the big three vs his own foolish self motivations.

With this win, Fain can still be a Joe Biden sort of hero, claiming victory that may or may not really be there. With a lot of plausible deniability for running half the American public away from buying American cars?

I don't believe that most of America really cares.

 

[Creedmoor]

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About a $1.88 each, but the produce is top shelf (if you can get at it.)

That girl has really soft looking hands.

 

[foszoe]

They do owe their customers. The callousness is how they have and are losing them. "I got mine" attitude runs people off and closes businesses.

The companies owe their customers. They need to preserve and grow market share.

The union members owe themselves and their families first.

Let's say the doomsday scenario becomes true. I don't believe the assumption that all us manufacturing dies. The demand will still be there and other car companies are manufacturing here. If Mexico was the best option those companies would have already moved.

 

[printcraft]

That girl has really soft looking hands.

That's what you look for in a ball handler.

 

[foszoe]

That's what you look for in a ball handler.

I prefer footwork

 

[printcraft]

I prefer footwork

Hunter?