Trump 2024 — The second term

[Ingomike]

I keep telling you guys that the framers, while they did not want the power of a king, recognized that the president had to have extraordinary powers. The courts have consistently ruled that way not just recently, but historically. Section three does not apply to the president.

Is the President an “officer of the United States” for purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment?

Update: In December 2021, Seth and I published an article in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty, based on this blog post. You can download our article

reason.com

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f6103f36b5eee6bf0ab2c1d/t/61bfe1e7f415793ae6492815/1639965161489/15.1_Blackman_Final+12.16.21.pdf

 

[JettaKnight]

I keep telling you guys that the framers, while they did not want the power of a king, recognized that the president had to have extraordinary powers. The courts have consistently ruled that way not just recently, but historically. Section three does not apply to the president.

Is the President an “officer of the United States” for purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment?

Update: In December 2021, Seth and I published an article in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty, based on this blog post. You can download our article

reason.com

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f6103f36b5eee6bf0ab2c1d/t/61bfe1e7f415793ae6492815/1639965161489/15.1_Blackman_Final+12.16.21.pdf

Where's BigRed when you really need him?

 

[JettaKnight]

And yet he’s still the front runner by far.

Shades of 2016. He comes with a solid minority and crushes the fractured majority.

Time for ranked choice voting.

 

[Ingomike]

Time for ranked choice voting.

That would definitely increase the election of candidates approved by government radio…

 

[jamil]

That would definitely increase the election of candidates approved by government radio…

Don’t sell yourself short. You’ll figure it out.

 

[Ziggidy]

But hey- best option we got! Can't possibly question that!

Ok, then at this time, who will you vote for?

 

[KG1]

Ok, then at this time, who will you vote for?

The best option.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

If he has felonies why have they not charged him and not the trumped up crap they have?

He has been charged. Several people who aren't MSNBC contributors and qualified in the law have agreed he will have difficulty beating the charges in Georgia and Florida. Regardless of how fair or evenly applied the charges may be, he is likely to get a guilty charge in the next year. That conviction will flood the news, DNC ads, etc. The narrative is not the border, crime, or war but Trump showing off war plans in Mar a Lago and RICO charges in Georgia.

Funny thing happened on the way to the presidency, Trump did not have to spend any money advertising. The opposition lawfare is driving Trump up in the polls.

Oh, so people donating their dollars to help Trump win shouldn't be upset when he isn't using those dollars to win but instead using them to pay millions in legal bills? Especially when he is rich and can pay them himself? Seems dishonest to me. The opposition is also controlling the message. The opposition loves talking about Trump in court and not Biden in failure.

I doubt he would recommend them, so it is a draw. You fail to recognize that America First is not liked by many republicans, some of which took positions in the Trump administration for personal advancement or sabotage.

Trump appointed all of those cabinet members. The left didn't say to pick Tillerson or Mattis. CNN didn't make him do it. Trump did it. That's who he picked and nominated. Are we supposed to believe he will do amazing picking people this time? America First is the least controversial thing about Trump. Notice Trump is always the victim to some.

Why debate those that have no chance. Do you believe the party has supported Trump the same as other presidents? Heck no they have not and you are the odd man out here if you do not believe the party needs an overhaul…

Should the voters not hear about his platform and goals for a second term? We don't deserve to hear the difference he offers from the rest? If the party needs an overhaul, he should use that time with the party to sell that message. Instead, he hides on Truth Social and with TP USA blasting insults and lies. It's an opportunity for him to be that leader. He declines. Quite cowardly, to me.

Not showing in the polling…

The same polling shows his peers are outperforming him. Haley smokes him head-to-head with Biden. The same poll that the Trump team flew the banner on showed he drops a ton of support if convicted in the upcoming cases. He will be convicted and the TV will be hammering him as a convict. Also, he isn't getting new support in the polls. He's running in the same range with Republicans that he has always been at.

Not if you look at the endorsement list. Trump has about an 80% success rate. I posted it for you before. You are believing cherry picked data.

I'm cherry-picking swing races where Trump has been awful. Blake Masters, Dr. Oz, Kari Lake, Hershel Walker, 7 slam dunk GOP districts where idiots endorsed by Trump lost, etc. The seats that matter. He can endorse someone in an R +10 district, which counts for your metric.

He had no control of the DOJ during his term, in fact it was actually adversarial in that they were attacking Trump before the election and stepped it up after.

Why should anyone believe the second term will be different? You are acknowledging he was completely ineffective as a leader. It's also Trump as the victim.

Maybe you should adjust your antenna or you are not really an America First supporter. Many do want revenge for many things.

Good luck winning a national audience as a revenge platform. This is why 2022 sucked. People agree with Rs on the border, economy, foreign relations, and crime. If that's all we talk about, we win. But instead, with Trump, we will talk about Jan 6, Russia, revenge, his trials, and Trump. If we make it about Trump- we lose. Why do we need revenge? Because Trump is a victim?

He sure was a terrible candidate in 2020, so bad that is the first presidential incumbent to increase his vote totals and he also won all 16 major bellwether’s that have been right for decades.

Joe Biden is president. We have a Demand Justice picked SCOTUS Justice. Millions have poured across the border. Guess what? We lost. Trump lost.
He debated like a clown. He looked like an idiot with Covid. He couldn't control the message. He still cannot control the message.
(Do you know who is excellent with the message? DeSantis)
Trump lost Georgia, a state Kemp and a GOP ticket carried with room to spare.
Trump lost PA, MI, AZ, and WI- guess what? We need those to win.
NV and NH would be excellent too.

Nobody cares if you win Ohio and Iowa if you can't win the big prize. Guess what also happened in 2020? Trump underperformed GOP Senate options. Look at how R senators did in 2020 and compare it to Trump. Look at R Governors. Trump underperforms.

 

[Ziggidy]

The best option.

For which agenda?

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Ok, then at this time, who will you vote for?

I don't live in Iowa anymore, so it doesn't matter.

I think DeSantis is the best President- most effective, most results, least amount of ********. He knows how to execute and doesn't get easily sidetracked by the media. I genuinely think we get the best results from him. I think he is a two-term president if he wins.

Haley is the best candidate. I think she wins and wins big if she is our nominee. I love her on some issues but not others. I think she carries back some of the suburban women who refuse to vote for Trump. It would be an acceptable option at the end of the day as we get the administrative state under GOP control, good judges, etc.

Either would be fine with me. I'd prob pick DeSantis head-to-head.

Vivek is terrible. Christie isn't viable. Both should drop out.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

For which agenda?

Winning.

It turns out that if you lose, nobody gives a **** about your agenda.

 

[jamil]

I don't live in Iowa anymore, so it doesn't matter.

I think DeSantis is the best President- most effective, most results, least amount of ********. He knows how to execute and doesn't get easily sidetracked by the media. I genuinely think we get the best results from him. I think he is a two-term president if he wins.

Haley is the best candidate. I think she wins and wins big if she is our nominee. I love her on some issues but not others. I think she carries back some of the suburban women who refuse to vote for Trump. It would be an acceptable option at the end of the day as we get the administrative state under GOP control, good judges, etc.

Either would be fine with me. I'd prob pick DeSantis head-to-head.

Vivek is terrible. Christie isn't viable. Both should drop out.

Ramaswamy is right about Haley. She is Dick Cheney in heels. The GOP should rid itself of all neocons. They’re practically democrats anyway. That warmongering **** should be excommunicated from the GOP and mocked mercilessly for being a warmongering ****.

 

[Ziggidy]

I don't live in Iowa anymore, so it doesn't matter.

I think DeSantis is the best President- most effective, most results, least amount of ********. He knows how to execute and doesn't get easily sidetracked by the media. I genuinely think we get the best results from him. I think he is a two-term president if he wins.

Haley is the best candidate. I think she wins and wins big if she is our nominee. I love her on some issues but not others. I think she carries back some of the suburban women who refuse to vote for Trump. It would be an acceptable option at the end of the day as we get the administrative state under GOP control, good judges, etc.

Either would be fine with me. I'd prob pick DeSantis head-to-head.

Vivek is terrible. Christie isn't viable. Both should drop out.

Haley, well, is scum.

That said, my question is referring to a reality situation. Trump most likely will be nominee. Saying that, will you vote for Trump or will you vote against Trump In the general election?

 

[Ziggidy]

Winning.

It turns out that if you lose, nobody gives a **** about your agenda.

Not sure how you’re thinking. By agenda I meant platform. More socialism or MAGA? The agenda of each candidate is obvious. They all want to win but the agenda is what will they do after they win. If we lose, I think millions will care; tens of millions.

 

[KG1]

Haley, well, is scum.

That said, my question is referring to a reality situation. Trump most likely will be nominee. Saying that, will you vote for Trump or will you vote against Trump In the general election?

This is what I was referring to. The best option in the general election will not be Biden. If Trump will most likely be the nominee, then he will be the best option between the two come Tues. November 5th, 2024. But then again IMO any GOP nominee would be a better option than Biden so there is that.

Until then anyone should be allowed to lobby for whomever they want in the primary as their preferred option.

 

[Route 45]

 

[Ingomike]

He has been charged. Several people who aren't MSNBC contributors and qualified in the law have agreed he will have difficulty beating the charges in Georgia and Florida. Regardless of how fair or evenly applied the charges may be, he is likely to get a guilty charge in the next year. That conviction will flood the news, DNC ads, etc. The narrative is not the border, crime, or war but Trump showing off war plans in Mar a Lago and RICO charges in Georgia.

The reason Trump is gaining in polling is overreach. The more they push this the more he grows. I doubt any if this is decided before the election.

Oh, so people donating their dollars to help Trump win shouldn't be upset when he isn't using those dollars to win but instead using them to pay millions in legal bills? Especially when he is rich and can pay them himself? Seems dishonest to me. The opposition is also controlling the message. The opposition loves talking about Trump in court and not Biden in failure.

Funny thing here is Trump is the only recent President not to increase his net worth via the presidency.

Trump appointed all of those cabinet members. The left didn't say to pick Tillerson or Mattis. CNN didn't make him do it. Trump did it. That's who he picked and nominated. Are we supposed to believe he will do amazing picking people this time? America First is the least controversial thing about Trump. Notice Trump is always the victim to some.

In 2016 Trump was trying to get along with the establishment of both parties as an outsider. He learned that lesson. I can only imagine how you would have howled if he fired everybody on day one including Comey that was leading the investigation into Russia collusion at the time.

Should the voters not hear about his platform and goals for a second term? We don't deserve to hear the difference he offers from the rest? If the party needs an overhaul, he should use that time with the party to sell that message. Instead, he hides on Truth Social and with TP USA blasting insults and lies. It's an opportunity for him to be that leader. He declines. Quite cowardly, to me.

If anyone does not know what Trump stands for they shouldn’t vote. The only reason that any of them participate is they need the exposure. The party idiots keep debating with leftist moderators that make it a republican democrat moderator debate not a republican debate.

The same polling shows his peers are outperforming him. Haley smokes him head-to-head with Biden. The same poll that the Trump team flew the banner on showed he drops a ton of support if convicted in the upcoming cases. He will be convicted and the TV will be hammering him as a convict. Also, he isn't getting new support in the polls. He's running in the same range with Republicans that he has always been at.

Not current polling averages.

I'm cherry-picking swing races where Trump has been awful. Blake Masters, Dr. Oz, Kari Lake, Hershel Walker, 7 slam dunk GOP districts where idiots endorsed by Trump lost, etc. The seats that matter. He can endorse someone in an R +10 district, which counts for your metric.

So you admit you are cherry picking. Good start…

Why should anyone believe the second term will be different? You are acknowledging he was completely ineffective as a leader. It's also Trump as the victim.

One big difference is he will not give a crap about voters that do not support America First.

Good luck winning a national audience as a revenge platform. This is why 2022 sucked. People agree with Rs on the border, economy, foreign relations, and crime. If that's all we talk about, we win. But instead, with Trump, we will talk about Jan 6, Russia, revenge, his trials, and Trump. If we make it about Trump- we lose. Why do we need revenge? Because Trump is a victim?

We must get control of the institutions of government back from the dems.

Joe Biden is president. We have a Demand Justice picked SCOTUS Justice. Millions have poured across the border. Guess what? We lost. Trump lost.
He debated like a clown. He looked like an idiot with Covid. He couldn't control the message. He still cannot control the message.

Show us on the doll where the orange man hurt you…

(Do you know who is excellent with the message? DeSantis)

So good the current message is “help I’ve fallen and can’t get up”.

Trump lost Georgia, a state Kemp and a GOP ticket carried with room to spare.
Trump lost PA, MI, AZ, and WI- guess what? We need those to win.
NV and NH would be excellent too.

Nobody cares if you win Ohio and Iowa if you can't win the big prize. Guess what also happened in 2020? Trump underperformed GOP Senate options. Look at how R senators did in 2020 and compare it to Trump. Look at R Governors. Trump underperforms.

Do you ever look at what you post here? EVERYTHING you post is turned in any way necessary to make Trump look bad. The republicans that despise Trump despise him at a level that I never saw for ANY democrat politician, including HRC. When someone goes so far out of their way to denigrate someone on their side of the political spectrum, even more than those on the other side of the political spectrum, in almost a personal way, what can explain that but TDS?

 

[Ziggidy]

Until then anyone should be allowed to lobby for whomever they want in the primary as their preferred option.

But lobbying with negativity rather that qualities? It’s paints a distorted picture. That is my point. Seems that this country has fallen into the trap of destroying competition with negativity rather quality. If we truly want the best person to win, then let’s promote the best in the person.

I can remember years ago when the media and people wanted “no negativity” in campaigning. We’ve lost that and have reverted to the smear campaign. We see it with the anti-Trump campaign, we see it here. Can’t win fairly, let’s smear the opposition. That’s what losers do.

 

[Ziggidy]

He debated like a clown. He looked like an idiot with Covid.

Did you know Florida was locked down in the beginning. DeSantis was no different until more data became available. Like Trump and many many others, he went with the initial data provided.

BTW, DeSantis is not a great debater, never was; although he is improving.

I like DeSantis. If Trump in not allowed, I will support DeSantis. Like Trump, I look at qualities not how one debates.

 

[KG1]

But lobbying with negativity rather that qualities? It’s paints a distorted picture. That is my point. Seems that this country has fallen into the trap of destroying competition with negativity rather quality. If we truly want the best person to win, then let’s promote the best in the person.

I can remember years ago when the media and people wanted “no negativity” in campaigning. We’ve lost that and have reverted to the smear campaign. We see it with the anti-Trump campaign, we see it here. Can’t win fairly, let’s smear the opposition. That’s what losers do.

Tell me this. What candidate is exempt from being lobbied by negativity rather than qualities? You act as if Trump is the only one. Trump supporters do it. Call them out as well. You pretty much never call them out for the negativity. You have no problem being vocal about it when it's directed only towards Trump.