Trump 2024 — The second term

[Super Bee]

No.

At this point I may just stay home. What the actual ****.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

At this point I may just stay home. What the actual ****.

I think he just says stuff to see what gets traction.

 

[Super Bee]

I think he just says stuff to see what gets traction.

And that could very well be. But all it does is **** me off.

 

[jamil]

That’s absolutely silly. The US is a republic. Republics and democracies are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Ingomike]

And that could very well be. But all it does is **** me off.

I have said this before, we on the conservative side are far too literal. A dem says abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” and the dems all look at one another and smirk at the rubes that believe that crap. A repub says something to appeal to moderates and conservatives lose their mind. What was the track record?

 

[Magyars]

 

[jamil]

I have said this before, we on the conservative side are far too literal. A dem says abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” and the dems all look at one another and smirk at the rubes that believe that crap. A repub says something to appeal to moderates and conservatives lose their mind. What was the track record?

2016 Trump: “I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first.”

2024 Trump: “I promise to staple a Green Card to anyone who graduates from ANY college, even 2-yr community colleges.”

Okay, so which statement is taken too literally? How is the 2024 position figurative? Isn't the better, more accurate position that Trump is just saying **** to get elected? And well, why not? Every politician does this. But then you'd have to admit that Trump is a politician, which you've earlier insisted he's not, as part of his status as the bestest candidate ever.

He became a politician as soon as he registered as a 2016 presidential candidate. But some of you guys could never admit that. He lied about promises then. He's lying about promises now. You just can't bring yourself to knowledge this. It's not a big deal. Politicians lie because it's a part of the game. The trick is to figure out when they're lying and when they're telling the truth.

 

[Super Bee]

I have said this before, we on the conservative side are far too literal. A dem says abortion should be “safe, legal, and rare” and the dems all look at one another and smirk at the rubes that believe that crap. A repub says something to appeal to moderates and conservatives lose their mind. What was the track record?

How about tell me the truth. How about quit pandering. I hate it when the left does it, I hate it more when the right does it. I think I hold them to a higher standard believing they should know better and he should.

 

[jamil]

How about tell me the truth. How about quit pandering. I hate it when the left does it, I hate it more when the right does it. I think I hold them to a higher standard believing they should know better and he should.

Yeah. Well. I think that's not possible. Candidates need to try to appeal to as many voters as possible. They're either going to lie, or lose. They're not rewarded for honesty except by those who agree with the thing they're being honest about.

No candidate is rewarded by living up to my standards other than by my vote, for the little that's worth. But also I have to acknowledge that no candidate lives up to most people's standards. Except the sycophants who can't possibly see any wrong their candidate can do. Not everyone is a sycophant. There's nothing wrong with calling out obvious position flipping, while acknowledging that the political game is what it is.

Ain't like anyone on the other side believes Trump anyway. That some undecided was hesitant to back Trump until, whoa, he's gonna give green cards to immigrants who graduate college? I'm all in!

 

[KLB]

At this point I may just stay home. What the actual ****.

You think this is worse than giving amnesty to all of the illegals and letting them stay?

This just seems like pay to play to me. Come over, pay money to get a degree, get to stay and work. I don't think I am really against the idea. We would be talking mostly about people in fields that are useful I would imagine. I can't see many people coming here to get gender studies or social justice degrees.

 

[Super Bee]

Yeah. Well. I think that's not possible. Candidates need to try to appeal to as many voters as possible. They're either going to lie, or lose. They're not rewarded for honesty except by those who agree with the thing they're being honest about.

I know, I know. I am just in a ****y mood. Hanging out in the political section is probably not the best idea for today.

 

[Leadeye]

Illegals come into the US get a degree in gender studies with a student loan and get an automatic green card doesn't seem right to me. All you are doing is subsidizing corrupt colleges.

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

I think he just says stuff to see what gets traction.

I think he says stuff because he doesn't have deeply held principles, just the desire for power. He just thinks aloud sometimes and has the charisma to pull it off. People don't love this New Yorker guy because he's a principled conservative.

 

[Ingomike]

2016 Trump: “I will end forever the use of the H-1B as a cheap labor program, and institute an absolute requirement to hire American workers first.”

2024 Trump: “I promise to staple a Green Card to anyone who graduates from ANY college, even 2-yr community colleges.”

Okay, so which statement is taken too literally? How is the 2024 position figurative? Isn't the better, more accurate position that Trump is just saying **** to get elected? And well, why not? Every politician does this. But then you'd have to admit that Trump is a politician, which you've earlier insisted he's not, as part of his status as the bestest candidate ever.

He became a politician as soon as he registered as a 2016 presidential candidate. But some of you guys could never admit that. He lied about promises then. He's lying about promises now. You just can't bring yourself to knowledge this. It's not a big deal. Politicians lie because it's a part of the game. The trick is to figure out when they're lying and when they're telling the truth.

You realize they say different things to different groups? What was the track record? That is all I give a f*** about…

 

[Ingomike]

How about tell me the truth. How about quit pandering. I hate it when the left does it, I hate it more when the right does it. I think I hold them to a higher standard believing they should know better and he should.

The left has long counted on conservatives holding their own to a higher standard and are skilled at getting them to eat their own. Which is a rephrasing of the post you quoted…

 

[Ingomike]

I think he says stuff because he doesn't have deeply held principles, just the desire for power. He just thinks aloud sometimes and has the charisma to pull it off. People don't love this New Yorker guy because he's a principled conservative.

Agreed mostly. He does have deeply held principles, they may not be yours. His are in international relations such as, immigration, trade, war, and the like. He has been writing and discussing these topics since I first heard of him in the early 80’s…

 

[jamil]

I think he says stuff because he doesn't have deeply held principles, just the desire for power. He just thinks aloud sometimes and has the charisma to pull it off. People don't love this New Yorker guy because he's a principled conservative.

Everyone has some deeply held principles. The issue is alignment.

 

[jamil]

You realize they say different things to different groups? What was the track record? That is all I give a f*** about…

Good to know you’ve switched to my side.

 

[DadSmith]

Most of Trump’s gag order should remain active: Bragg - Washington Examiner

Bragg asked a judge to keep in place most of the provisions of a gag order the judge imposed on Trump in April, according to a court filing made public Friday.

washingtonexaminer.com

Since the trial is over shouldn't the gag order be lifted?

 

[rbhargan]

Most of Trump’s gag order should remain active: Bragg - Washington Examiner

Bragg asked a judge to keep in place most of the provisions of a gag order the judge imposed on Trump in April, according to a court filing made public Friday.

washingtonexaminer.com

Since the trial is over shouldn't the gag order be lifted?

If it had been a legitimate trial, abiding by laws and conducted without malice and prejudice, then yes. But show trials are different and have their own rules. First and foremost is, the defendant is presumed guilty from the offset and they must never be allowed to point out the biased nature of the officials conducting the show trial.