Trump 2024 — The second term

[cobber]

Has the Indiana GOP made a public statement yet?

 

[miguel]

If any state AG has any balls, they would charge Biden, et al, with treason for failing to enforce immigration law and issue a warrant.

But none of them have any stones, so we're going into the vortex.

 

[INPatriot]

Ron would be a fantastic choice. But he's a Republican, not some Trump acolyte. He's different from Trump. Again, man- not a movement.

I agree he brings out the worst in the left. He's shined the partisan edge of the media. I still
maintain the trials are ********. However, his
own appointments get ran out of town by his supporters. His movement doesn't have a future and the man is old. You guys hate Haley for stupid reasons, but she's a Trump nomination. His own former team barely endorses him. You guys excuse it but the only shift is that white rural America supports him. The shift in social
Issues alone would lead to a break in traditional alliances regardless of nominee. He hasn't grown the party, only held a sizeable chunk. The rest of the party are still Republicans, but you guys dismiss them as liberals who don't get the issues without acknowledging you have a candidate that rarely outperforms his down ballot counterparts. Yes, he got the most votes for a sitting president, but he still lost. Trump is a blip in the grand scheme of things. I doubt the Dollar General Country caucus falls in love as hard in 2028, but we shall see.

The basis of this explanation leads me to believe you are of the opinion that there will be no shuffling of the parties post Trump. Trump was just a blip on the radar and once he exits, things will just go back to normal and the GOP can get back to electing lovable losers.

Post Trump or 2028, whichever comes first, do you believe the parties will back to the way they were pre-June 2015?

 

[Tombs]

You guys hate Haley for stupid reasons

You mean like how her policies are globalist nonsense, while you're busy obsessing about her figure? I guess we're the ones with stupid reasoning.

 

[Ingomike]

Was it ever said what made all these charges from Misdemeanors to felonies?

The technicalities they purported to rely on was that they became felonies if they were used to further a specific felony that was never proven in court, that it was a federal election fraud crime. A crime the bidet DOJ and even the FEC would not charge Trump with. The former head of the FEC, Bradly Smith was prohibited by the judge from testifying for the defendant to say there was no federal crime.

 

[actaeon277]

Must be a damn good samich

firehouse sub

 

[gassprint1]

firehouse sub

Mancinos in Plymouth makes a mighty fine sub samich. Really good atmosphere for eating there too..

 

[DadSmith]

Trump guilty: Trump’s donation website crashes moments after verdict - Washington Examiner

Former President Donald Trump’s website for campaign donations crashed within minutes of his guilty verdict being announced on Thursday.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/31/trump-donation-site-crashes-trial-conviction

 

[KellyinAvon]

Off the top of my head (and what I can remember from multiple people who went to law school)

Misdemeanor outside statute of limitations. State has no authority to bring federal charges. FEC didn't pursue charges.

Prosecution's star witnesses: An unhinged former porn star who owes DJT close to $500K in legal fees and a rare individual who has lied under oath to all three branches of the government/bitter ex-employee at own admission.

Bill of Rights:

1st Amendment (Gag order applied only to DJT)

5th Amendment (can't remember but Dershowitz keeps bringing it up and he's been a lawyer 60 years. Maybe due process since this is more Stalin than SCOTUS)

6th Amendment (call witnesses in your defense, unanimity in the verdict, be informed of the nature of the accusations)

Prosecution's opening statement: (brought up offenses there were never any charges)

Prosecution's closing filibuster: (5 hours long and was allowed to bring in false statements about campaign law violations which is false.)

The Judge: (conflicted under NY law due to daughter's work with a dem consulting firm and the money being made. That's 1 degree, not 6 per NY law. Statistically incredibly improbable the same judge {who is NOT in the 24 judge rotating panel} would also catch the case involving Steve Bannon and one other IIRC.) Violated 1st Amendment rights of defense witness {per Alan Dershowitz: eye-rolling is protected.} Jury instructions allowed 6th Amendment violation {pick and choose any crime you can think of... and that's unanimous} and this is just off the top of my head.)

"Fat Alvin" Bragg: NYC is turning to complete **** and this guy has much of the responsibility. He loves POS criminals and locks up a bodego owner for self-defense and a former Marine for protecting others. Ran on "get Trump"... very Berian.

Former #3 at DoJ is one of the local prosecutors... WTF?

Jury: out of a population who voted 90-10 for Biden. If any would've caused a hung jury their home would've burned and they would be unemployed. (If you think that's hyperbolic? Look at what has happened since 2020.) Also see quote in my sig line from juror on the Derek Chauvin trail. Saint George died of a fentanyl overdose and the Doc who testified to that? Does he still have a license?

 

[jwamplerusa]

Lavrentiy Beria and Stalin must be so proud of the US DOJ and NY Judicial system right now.

 

[COOPADUP]

The liberal media is truly eating this story up.
They are comparing Watergate to this travesty.

 

[jamil]

Could you back this up? Showing either a poster here or a prominent conservative that has advocated such. I call BS on this quote…

Surely you remember those conversations. Don't you? You guys talk about playing the same game they do, or to that affect. I say, nah. We don't have to sink to the same depths. You claim I want to play by Marquis of Queensbury rules.

So I press you on it. Just what do you mean by that? What are you saying we should be willing to do exactly? So then you list things that aren't actually breaking any rules. Then why the claims about Marquis of Queensbury rules, if you're not actually advocating things that would break them?

So I have a couple choices how I could have interpreted that. Either a) you're blowing off steam with that "do what they do" shtick and didn't really mean it. Or b) you really meant it, but didn't want to admit on a public forum the things you think conservatives should do to fight as dirty as progressives do. I let it go because that seemed to be the end of the Marquis of Queensbury nonsense. But. Maybe I should ask. Which was it, a or b?

 

[jamil]

I have said that. But that is not advocating swatting people.

Glad to hear that's not on the list of ways conservatives should act like progressives to win.

 

[Route 45]

 

[Expat]

Surely you remember those conversations. Don't you? You guys talk about playing the same game they do, or to that affect. I say, nah. We don't have to sink to the same depths. You claim I want to play by Marquis of Queensbury rules.

So I press you on it. Just what do you mean by that? What are you saying we should be willing to do exactly? So then you list things that aren't actually breaking any rules. Then why the claims about Marquis of Queensbury rules, if you're not actually advocating things that would break them?

So I have a couple choices how I could have interpreted that. Either a) you're blowing off steam with that "do what they do" shtick and didn't really mean it. Or b) you really meant it, but didn't want to admit on a public forum the things you think conservatives should do to fight as dirty as progressives do. I let it go because that seemed to be the end of the Marquis of Queensbury nonsense. But. Maybe I should ask. Which was it, a or b?

We don't have the stones to play their game. If we did, Biden would have been impeached 3x by now.

 

[Route 45]

 

[Leadeye]

Has the Indiana GOP made a public statement yet?

On the golf course at the country club, maybe later.

 

[DadSmith]

Like I stated earlier they set a precedent for the future. It's not going to get better in this country. This is completely out of hand now.
No holds barred.

 

[Leadeye]

Off the top of my head (and what I can remember from multiple people who went to law school)

Misdemeanor outside statute of limitations. State has no authority to bring federal charges. FEC didn't pursue charges.

Prosecution's star witnesses: An unhinged former porn star who owes DJT close to $500K in legal fees and a rare individual who has lied under oath to all three branches of the government/bitter ex-employee at own admission.

Bill of Rights:

1st Amendment (Gag order applied only to DJT)

5th Amendment (can't remember but Dershowitz keeps bringing it up and he's been a lawyer 60 years. Maybe due process since this is more Stalin than SCOTUS)

6th Amendment (call witnesses in your defense, unanimity in the verdict, be informed of the nature of the accusations)

Prosecution's opening statement: (brought up offenses there were never any charges)

Prosecution's closing filibuster: (5 hours long and was allowed to bring in false statements about campaign law violations which is false.)

The Judge: (conflicted under NY law due to daughter's work with a dem consulting firm and the money being made. That's 1 degree, not 6 per NY law. Statistically incredibly improbable the same judge {who is NOT in the 24 judge rotating panel} would also catch the case involving Steve Bannon and one other IIRC.) Violated 1st Amendment rights of defense witness {per Alan Dershowitz: eye-rolling is protected.} Jury instructions allowed 6th Amendment violation {pick and choose any crime you can think of... and that's unanimous} and this is just off the top of my head.)

"Fat Alvin" Bragg: NYC is turning to complete **** and this guy has much of the responsibility. He loves POS criminals and locks up a bodego owner for self-defense and a former Marine for protecting others. Ran on "get Trump"... very Berian.

Former #3 at DoJ is one of the local prosecutors... WTF?

Jury: out of a population who voted 90-10 for Biden. If any would've caused a hung jury their home would've burned and they would be unemployed. (If you think that's hyperbolic? Look at what has happened since 2020.) Also see quote in my sig line from juror on the Derek Chauvin trail. Saint George died of a fentanyl overdose and the Doc who testified to that? Does he still have a license?

Good points all, the trouble is that when Tammany gives people whatever the NYC translation of "plata o plumo" is, they know what to do. As Doyle Lonnigan said, ya falla?

 

[ChristianPatriot]

Well I think what we can definitively say is that roughly half of the country is perfectly fine with a dictatorship as long as “their guy” is the dictator.