Train derailment in Ohio and chemical release

[Shadow01]

step back and take a breath on the landfill issue. Are we not afraid of all that other stuff in the landfill leaching into the groundwater? Because you know there is other stuff in there.


Or is this like reading the label on a processed food where you were fine eating it before, but NOW you know whats in there?

If it isn’t safe to leave it where it is, what assurance is there that moving to any landfill is better? We have been asked to trust the RR and they have failed. We are asked to trust our government and they have failed. We are asked to trust the FBI,DOJ,ATF and so on but they have failed.

why must this be reduced to “it can’t be worse than what is already in the landfill “ mantra. You have to start refusing somewhere If you want to make progress. I guess we can use the same thinking for schools, liberal push on gun control and hundreds of other issues. We have already allowed intrusion in these areas, why push back now?

 

[Cameramonkey]

If it isn’t safe to leave it where it is, what assurance is there that moving to any landfill is better? We have been asked to trust the RR and they have failed. We are asked to trust our government and they have failed. We are asked to trust the FBI,DOJ,ATF and so on but they have failed.

why must this be reduced to “it can’t be worse than what is already in the landfill “ mantra. You have to start refusing somewhere If you want to make progress. I guess we can use the same thinking for schools, liberal push on gun control and hundreds of other issues. We have already allowed intrusion in these areas, why push back now?

The point of that local landfill being used is because it in particular has very specific traits for this exact type of specialized waste; Rubber and plastic liners to prevent any escape of chemicals from inside the landfill. Its not just a hole in the ground where they dump the stuff then cover with plastic and earth. They cant just say "Oh, OK. In that case we'll just send it to the Harding Street landfill on Indy's south side with the rest of the household waste. "

So it looks like the time to prevent waste like this was back when this landfill was built. Not now. Kinda like you cant raise a stink when a serial killer is about to be transferred to the local supermax. If you didnt want him here, you should have prevented the thing from being built. It feels like this is already past the point of no return.

But feel free to protest all you want.

 

[smokingman]

Dioxins have caused entire towns to be abandoned.
Given we know dioxins were created by the burning,and in concentrations above that seen anywhere else...is it any wonder the EPA has not tested for them(if they have they are not willing to share)?

Not a single test(if done not made public),even though at nightly town meetings it has been then the number one question asked of the EPA for almost a week.

‘Chemical Bronchitis’? East Palestine Residents Experiencing Painful Breathing, Rashes, Weakness

East Palestine residents are experiencing odd symptoms, which one health care worker called "chemical bronchitis."

www.breitbart.com

This Town in Missouri Was Abandoned because It Became Contaminated with Dioxin - NewsBreak

Times Beach is an abandoned town located in St. Louis County, Missouri, 2 miles east of Eureka and 17 miles southwest of St. Louis. The town, which formerly housed more than 2000 people, was completely evacuated at the beginning of 1983 because of contamination caused by TCDD, better known as...

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The town will likely be a super fund site,it is just a matter of when.

The EPA will not test for dioxins.

Biden EPA Says It Won't Test for Toxic Dioxins in East Palestine, Despite Expert Warnings

After a train carrying chemicals derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 3, the EPA said they would not test the area for toxic dioxins.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[Sigblitz]

Who's environment are the protecting?

 

[Cameramonkey]

Who's environment are the protecting?

Apparently only blue states.

Mark my words. A blue state ( or Canada) will request Dioxin testing from downwind contamination and they'll test. Probably quietly.

Or look at it this way. If they dont test, they dont know. If they dont know, they dont have to fix.

 

[KittySlayer]

Another derailment in Florida. How soon before Little peter Buttplug gets there this time??????

Well it was propane in Florida so they could have a really big BBQ, but Petey is probably a vegan (except for one kind of meat).

 

[bwframe]

The point of that local landfill being used is because it in particular has very specific traits for this exact type of specialized waste; Rubber and plastic liners to prevent any escape of chemicals from inside the landfill. Its not just a hole in the ground where they dump the stuff then cover with plastic and earth. They cant just say "Oh, OK. In that case we'll just send it to the Harding Street landfill on Indy's south side with the rest of the household waste. "

So it looks like the time to prevent waste like this was back when this landfill was built. Not now. Kinda like you cant raise a stink when a serial killer is about to be transferred to the local supermax. If you didnt want him here, you should have prevented the thing from being built. It feels like this is already past the point of no return.

But feel free to protest all you want.

How are they gonna get the toxic waist here? The same RR Company trains responsible for the disaster in the first place?

 

[smokingman]

How are they gonna get the toxic waist here? The same RR Company trains responsible for the disaster in the first place?

Well from what I read it will require 100+ trucks.
Not that we are even sure if the site can hold or process it yet.

‘Lack of communication’: Holcomb blasts decision to bring toxic Ohio train derailment material to Indiana landfill

INDIANAPOLIS – Gov. Eric Holcomb isn’t happy with the federal government’s decision to ship hazardous materials from the train disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, to the Hoosier State. The train dera…

fox59.com

 

[bwframe]

Well from what I read it will require 100+ trucks.
Not that we are even sure if the site can hold or process it yet.

‘Lack of communication’: Holcomb blasts decision to bring toxic Ohio train derailment material to Indiana landfill

INDIANAPOLIS – Gov. Eric Holcomb isn’t happy with the federal government’s decision to ship hazardous materials from the train disaster in East Palestine, Ohio, to the Hoosier State. The train dera…

fox59.com

If Holcomb had any nads, he'd TELL them not to bring it here. "We will have the State Police turn you around at the state line!" "Sue us, if you choose. We're happy to fight this out in court, and the press."


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[DadSmith]

step back and take a breath on the landfill issue. Are we not afraid of all that other stuff in the landfill leaching into the groundwater? Because you know there is other stuff in there.


Or is this like reading the label on a processed food where you were fine eating it before, but NOW you know whats in there?

Why here? Why not ship it to the waste lands of California or Nevada where it would not be around anyone or anything useful?

 

[gassprint1]

Why here? Why not ship it to the waste lands of California or Nevada where it would not be around anyone or anything useful?

This day and age, you would think there would be a processing plant that would leach out the chemicals in the dirt an such for recycling. They figured out how to pull lead fom old tube tvs alobg with other stuff, so why not this too.

 

[KittySlayer]

This day and age, you would think there would be a processing plant that would leach out the chemicals in the dirt an such for recycling. They figured out how to pull lead fom old tube tvs alobg with other stuff, so why not this too.

All the engineers are probably busy trying to figure out how to deal with the dead battery crisis that will plague the nation in the next decade.

 

[jwamplerusa]

The EPA will not test for dioxins.

Biden EPA Says It Won't Test for Toxic Dioxins in East Palestine, Despite Expert Warnings

After a train carrying chemicals derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 3, the EPA said they would not test the area for toxic dioxins.

www.westernjournal.com

Are there not private labs, or state labs, which can test for dioxins? If the feds won't test, why does the state of Ohio is not test?

 

[Magyars]

AND another coincidence......

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[smokingman]

How are they gonna get the toxic waist here? The same RR Company trains responsible for the disaster in the first place?

About that. The state is blocking them.
The source also told the Ohio Star that Governor DeWine attempted to block scientists from entering state parks:

The governor and the railroad were blocking scientists from getting soil samples in East Palestine, but they were able to still grab some for testing. Likewise, the soils are highly contaminated," the source said.
The source claims that the Ohio governor only uses his own hand-picked scientists to "give him the results he wants."
"It is heartbreaking to me that politicians like DeWine make an issue like this political. It should not be. He should be doing all he can to protect people, animals and the environment and not just cover his own behind," the source added.

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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According to local TV station WKBN, residents have sent a list of demands for Norfolk Southern and the federal government, outlining the much-needed help their community deserves after a botched response.

Below is the list of demands:

1. Relocation for anyone who wants it. Folks don't feel safe and aren't getting their questions answered. Anyone who wants to be relocated to hotels or safe housing should have the opportunity to do so, paid for by Norfolk Southern.
2. Independent environmental testing. The EPA must immediately begin and continue to test soil, water, and air, including for dioxins throughout the region, and commit to regular public meetings to explain findings. Norfolk Southern must pay for an independent scientist, hired by residents, to represent the community and participate in all technical meetings regarding testing, cleanup, and safety plans.
3. Ongoing medical testing and monitoring: We still don't know what the short and long-term health impacts of this disaster will be. Federal Health & Human Services must provide ongoing health monitoring to evaluate those in the impacted region, guarantee health coverage, and Norfolk Southern must cover the cost.
4. Dispose of the toxic waste safely: The EPA cannot take the solid waste from the derailment and dispose of it in the Heritage Thermal toxic incinerator, in nearby East Liverpool, that has already been polluting our communities for years. This will only further spread the contaminants. Norfolk Southern must stop destroying evidence – we need a safety plan before resuming cleanup from the derailment site.
5. Norfolk Southern pays 100% of the costs. Taxpayers shouldn't foot this bill. Norfolk Southern made this mess, they should clean it up. The company must commit to paying 100% of the costs for testing, relocation, cleanup, medical monitoring and costs, and an independent science advisor.

 

[smokingman]

They started testing on the 20th,no results released online that I could find. This is the only news article I found about it at all.

Researchers using powerful equipment to test air quality in East Palestine

Two universities have teamed up and sent scientists to the East Palestine area to test air quality.

www.wkbn.com

*edit. Of course they are using twitter. They also tow the EPA line fairly well at this point and have not released the most of the data. So this is a pointless post. sigh

 

[Shadow01]

so how many dump trucks haul material without a single piece of that material falling out of the bed while traveling?

sounds like a great way of moving the waste to a landfill.

 

[KLB]

so how many dump trucks haul material without a single piece of that material falling out of the bed while traveling?

sounds like a great way of moving the waste to a landfill.

How else would they get it there?

 

[Leadeye]

As a smart policy, landfills are the place of last resort for stuff because of RCRA/CERCLA laws written in the late 70s. When somebody disposes of waste in a land fill it's still attached to them, regardless of changes in the law. Only government entities, cites, towns, agencies, are exempt. As much waste as possible is destroyed by incineration as that ends the legal "chain of custody." Back in the 80s many businesses were put through the federal meat grinder when land fills that they had done business with were closed. These land fill operations were licensed and inspected by the government at the time, but the law changed, and then they were not. The federal government then went after all of their customers, except of course the above mentioned ones with exemptions.

When I hear discussions about constitutional protections against "ex post facto" I often smile and remember that isn't always the case.

 

[Shadow01]

How else would they get it there?

They are the “professionals “. It’s up to them to find a way that allows material too dangerous to leave it where it is to be transported without losing it along the way.