To mask or not to mask....That is the question. Part II

[churchmouse]

I have to wonder if years of being told to eat less meat and drive a more efficient car etc have made me more likely to tell the 'wear a mask to protect others' people to FATWO

It's hard for me to tell, because FATWO is my response of choice to people telling me what to do anyway

Crap. More googling.

 

[churchmouse]

OK I seriously doubt this is what you meant....

Female Adnexal Tumor of Probable Wolffian Origin: A Review ...​

Ha..... just kicked in. I get it.....

 

[bwframe]

 

[NHT3]

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Shockingly the Indiana General Assembly CAN do (go figure) something other than post pictures of guns and Constitutions. Apparently, and shockingly, they are attempting to claw back the power that they gave away. Huh.

Legislation to end Holcomb's emergency declaration gains momentum ahead of Tuesday's speech

A resolution to terminate Gov. Eric Holcomb's public health emergency now has the support of 27 Republican lawmakers.

www.indystar.com

 

[Ark]

Shockingly the Indiana General Assembly CAN do (go figure) something other than post pictures of guns and Constitutions. Apparently, and shockingly, they are attempting to claw back the power that they gave away. Huh.

Legislation to end Holcomb's emergency declaration gains momentum ahead of Tuesday's speech

A resolution to terminate Gov. Eric Holcomb's public health emergency now has the support of 27 Republican lawmakers.

www.indystar.com

I'll believe it when I see it. House leadership runs this state, and they're all-in with Holcomb.

 

[MCgrease08]

View attachment 131964

Any chance there is a title, citation or link to the paper this photo claims Fauci authored? I'd love to read through it.

 

[JettaKnight]

Any chance there is a title, citation or link to the paper this photo claims Fauci authored? I'd love to read through it.

Or at the very least verify this.

 

[MCgrease08]

Ok, a quick Google search does pull up the paper right away.

Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness

Despite the availability of published data on 4 pandemics that have occurred over the past 120 years, there is little modern information on the causes of death associated with influenza pandemics.We examined relevant information from the most recent influenza pandemic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I did a very quick skim of the findings and nowhere that I could find was the topic of masking or facial coverings even mentioned. I also did a "Ctrl F" to search for the terms "mask, facial, covering & facial covering" and came up empty for all of them.

So it seems Fauci did co-author a paper that found a "majority of deaths in the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria." But no where that I see does it attribute that respiratory-tract bacteria to the wearing of masks.

So one might argue that wearing paper surgical masks contributes to the build up and presence of respiratory-tract bacteria, but it also ignores the fact that we have antibiotics today to treat the bacterial infection that did not exist in 1919.

ETA: Apparently a Reuters article debunked this back in October. I get that it's Reuters, so I understand questioning the source of the fact check, but this one seems pretty straight forward and there are source links in the article.

Fact check: Fauci study did not attribute 1918 Spanish flu deaths to bacterial pneumonia caused by masks

Correction October 28, 2020: This article previously linked to a similar 2008 study (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/14/8/07-1313_article) that was not co-authored by Fauci. Correcting link in paragraph three to study co-authored by Fauci (https://academic.oup.com/jid/...

mobile.reuters.com

 

[Kirk Freeman]

View attachment 131964

I thought we agreed with the No Fake News protocol?

 

[nonobaddog]

Here is the paper... It doesn't say masks caused anything and it doesn't say they didn't, in fact it doesn't mention masks however the masks of the day were simple gauze and they could get saliva on them and be pretty good at harboring bacteria.

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/198/7/962/2192118

 

[Ark]

Ok, a quick Google search does pull up the paper right away.

Predominant Role of Bacterial Pneumonia as a Cause of Death in Pandemic Influenza: Implications for Pandemic Influenza Preparedness

Despite the availability of published data on 4 pandemics that have occurred over the past 120 years, there is little modern information on the causes of death associated with influenza pandemics.We examined relevant information from the most recent influenza pandemic ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I did a very quick skim of the findings and nowhere that I could find was the topic of masking or facial coverings even mentioned. I also did a "Ctrl F" to search for the terms "mask, facial, covering & facial covering" and came up empty for all of them.

So it seems Fauci did co-author a paper that found a "majority of deaths in the 1918-1919 influenza pandemic likely resulted from secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory-tract bacteria." But no where that I see does it attribute that respiratory-tract bacteria to the wearing of masks.

So one might argue that wearing paper surgical masks contributes to the build up and presence of respiratory-tract bacteria, but it also ignores the fact that we have antibiotics today to treat the bacterial infection that did not exist in 1919.

ETA: Apparently a Reuters article debunked this back in October. I get that it's Reuters, so I understand questioning the source of the fact check, but this one seems pretty straight forward and there are source links in the article.

Fact check: Fauci study did not attribute 1918 Spanish flu deaths to bacterial pneumonia caused by masks

Correction October 28, 2020: This article previously linked to a similar 2008 study (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/14/8/07-1313_article) that was not co-authored by Fauci. Correcting link in paragraph three to study co-authored by Fauci (https://academic.oup.com/jid/...

mobile.reuters.com

Not a surprising finding, bacterial pneumonia is the actual mechanism of death for a whole bunch of respiratory illnesses, particularly if antibiotics are not available. The air is full of common bacteria that aren't a problem until your ability to resist them is compromised.

Somebody probably took this paper, put it in a Yahtzee cup, shook it around with their own imagination and some other papers talking about how excessive mask use can create bacterial infection, and dumped it out into this truthy-sounding claim.

On my understanding of the history, the mask thing in 1918 had its epicenter in San Francisco. Most of the country never used them and thus could not die from using them. There may be grains of truth but the claim about Fauci and this paper is indeed demonstrably false and the claim about the 1918 flu appears to have little to no evidence.

 

[BugI02]

Crap. More googling.

It's a jamilism and might not be in google (yet). Acronym for 'F*** All The Way Off'

 

[churchmouse]

It's a jamilism and might not be in google (yet). Acronym for 'F*** All The Way Off'

Yeah I got that after I found the woman's disease reference ....

 

[NHT3]

I thought we agreed with the No Fake News protocol?

I admit I didn't Google to check the information and maybe someone took some literary license with the paper. I just believed what I read just like people have been believing what Fauci has been selling even after reversing his position on masks. I submit the following as questions only

 

[91FXRS]

It's a jamilism and might not be in google (yet).

He got me again tonight with the WFH.....

 

[SwikLS]

 

[MattCook]

Puleeeese tell me you intended that to be in purple......

I was unaware of purple text. Now I know. If I had known, most of my comments on this thread would be purple

 

[Ingomike]

Since I don't frequent lefty forums, do you think they have their own fact checkers or is the GWB started a secret KKK chapter and killed a guy still up and believed there?

 

[MattCook]

Contrasted with:

Progressivism is the spawn of Hell.

Note: No purple.

Thanks BigRed