This scares the hell out of me (LEO attitudes toward CCW)

[IndianaGTI]

I do not know why in an age of unemployment the departments don't eliminate those officers who give the others a bad name. There are officers who pull people over for no articuable reason then act like jerks. Most officers are respectful as long as your are respectful to them.

 

[littletommy]

And I do consider myself a nice policeman, heck I don't write many tickets, no free toaster for me... Why pester people for the same things I do on occasion.... I speed, forget my turn signal, and even roll a stop sign on occasion. I know a few officers make many of us look bad but there are a few of us out there that go after real criminals like robbers, auto thiefs and drug dealers.... You never know when the normal citizen may have to help get my butt out of a jamb.... And thanks....

You sir, sound like a very decent man who happens to be a LEO, much like most of the other LEOs on INGO. There are one or two here who do nothing but give LEOs a bad name, and then there's Dredd, who isn't a cop but plays one on the internet, he is truly a cops worst nightmare, and hopefully others here don't buy into his little fantasy world he has created. But I digress, Anyhoo, welcome to INGO!

 

[Hawkeye]

melensdad, understand that what you're reading is a very very small number of LEO out of something like 700,000 across the county, from reading several of the posts take one thing out of them, that the officers want to go home at night and their safety is the first thing on their mind. It's like the people that ask do I look like a criminal? well yeah you do since criminal look like everybody else.
Just like any other profession there are cops that are legends in their own mind and a**holes. As far as #22 he's no different than any other anti.
The large majority of LEO don't have a problem with ccw.

I don't know whether you are police or not, Dogman, but if you are then you should be working at weeding the dweebs out of your profession. Not making excuses for them.

 

[Keyser Soze]

you can open up just about any thread in officer.com and find something pretty scary... go to coptalk in glockforum and see some of the same scary stuff

like i said just now in an illegal police thread in politics,,, i dont know how gun owners and cops got together in the first place...

theres a big us vs them thing going on from their side except that its ---us--- who pays them---they seem to think theyre entitled to keep getting paid and obeyed...

im going to throw a party the day public pensions collapse...

your right by the way---we are in trouble...

Im tired of this I pay your salary bull****. First off the way I see it you owe me about 13,000 to bring up to the national average. Second I pay taxes to so I am paying myself right? 3rd I wonder how many people here are on bogus SSI or disability. Who is paying who.

 

[littletommy]

Im tired of this I pay your salary bull****. First off the way I see it you owe me about 13,000 to bring up to the national average. Second I pay taxes to so I am paying myself right? 3rd I wonder how many people here are on bogus SSI or disability. Who is paying who.

I'm tired of it, too, I wonder if there is a way all of us who are tired of it could opt out of paying your salary? That would certainly bring about some accountability wouldn't it?

 

[IndyGunner]

Im not an anti-cop guy. Ive met tons of nice guys, respectful, and understanding. Ive also met a handful of complete azzh***s who I wouldnt think twice to help if they were face down in a ditch. Unfortunately the few richards out there give good cops a bad name.

The forum the first guy posted made me absolutely disgusted and actually... pretty ticked off... im just glad I dont live in ohio so I dont have to deal with those pieces of sh**

 

[IndyGunner]

Im tired of this I pay your salary bull****. First off the way I see it you owe me about 13,000 to bring up to the national average. Second I pay taxes to so I am paying myself right? 3rd I wonder how many people here are on bogus SSI or disability. Who is paying who.

You work in the private sector... are you serious. We pay your salary... thats how it works. Thanks for your service and keeping us "safe", but you are paid with tax money. Also, please dont complain that you make 13k less than average. You shouldnt be paid 100,000 a year... and not only that, but you shouldnt complain about having a job period in this country right now. not trying to be a d**k, but seriously...

btw, our country for the first time has spent more in the private sector than the public.. thats the definition of socialism. The statement about SSI and stuff is probably ridiculous too, but im just going to ignore that as were talking about cops and civilians, not people taking advantage of government funded programs.

 

[Denny347]

yes

Haha, you have proven that you know NOTHING about LEO's. You just THINK you do. It is pretty humorous to watch you act like you are an expert when in fact you know little of what you speak. The internet is a magnet for such people.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

I went and read the comments on that LEO blog and couldn't make it past the first page. I'm honestly getting to the point that I'm ashamed to admit to anyone that I was ever a LEO. I feel every bit as damned extinct as a dinosaur.

Back when I was on the street I would no more have disarmed a legally armed citizen than I would have tried to pull out his teeth. I just don't understand it.

After mulling it over for hours I've reached the conclusion that the only motivation for so offensive a practice is just sheer cowardice. I've never been more glad to be retired so that I don't have to depend for backup on some of these badge-heavy kids. If one of these bigmouths were to confront a real criminal (as opposed to a legal concealed carrier who is willing to bear their insults as a result of maturity and a spirit of good citizenship) I'd expect them to turn, run, and not stop running until they got to their mother's house.

Any LEO who is so paralyzed with terror that he feels the need to do such a thing needs to take off the badge and look into a career in interior decorating or something more in line with their level of testicular fortitude.

 

[Denny347]

like i said just now in an illegal police thread in politics,,, i dont know how gun owners and cops got together in the first place...

theres a big us vs them thing going on from their side except that its ---us--- who pays them---they seem to think theyre entitled to keep getting paid and obeyed...

Don't place all the blame for the "us v. them" since it is quite clear you think we are too different to get along. You are half the problem. We actually all get along rather well minus a few. I for instance am a c&R FFL holder and have quite a large WWII collection. Most of the fellow collectors I talk with are NOT LEO's. Plylodog (Cory) is a licensed gunsmith and does fantastic firearm refinishes and stippling. Has do so for many of the guys/gals here. You will find that most of the LEO's on here share the same interests as the non-LEO's. I have found that much of the distrust of us comes from a lack of understanding/knowledge of what we do and why we do it. I try dammed hard to bridge that gap. Lately, my insights are thrown back into my face as "the thin blue line" cover-up or us "sticking together". Just because YOU cannot get along with us does not mean that others cannot.

im going to throw a party the day public pensions collapse...

I'm on a private pension so it means little to me.

 

[sparky241]

i cant finish ready this drivel, i made it to page 3 during to sittings and i now have a huge headache.i dont think this is a small population of leo i thin kthis is the majority of them

 

[IndianaGTI]

Im tired of this I pay your salary bull****. First off the way I see it you owe me about 13,000 to bring up to the national average. Second I pay taxes to so I am paying myself right? 3rd I wonder how many people here are on bogus SSI or disability. Who is paying who.

If you aren't happy with your job or your pay, quit and find a new profession. That is what people do.

Then there are the people who don't like their job or pay and choose to just do their job poorly. A lady I know was recently unhappy with her pay and began adding to her pay at work. She is now doing 2 years in prison.

If you choose to do your job for the pay you are given, I owe you nothing other than a polite thank you for doing your job in a kind courteous manner. If you are doing your job believing that everyone owes you something, you really should go find a new job.

 

[littletommy]

If you aren't happy with your job or your pay, quit and find a new profession. That is what people do.

Then there are the people who don't like their job or pay and choose to just do their job poorly. A lady I know was recently unhappy with her pay and began adding to her pay at work. She is now doing 2 years in prison.

If you choose to do your job for the pay you are given, I owe you nothing other than a polite thank you for doing your job in a kind courteous manner. If you are doing your job believing that everyone owes you something, you really should go find a new job.

+1, You nailed it. Yeah, I'd like to make an extra 13k myself, but right now (and in any economy really) I'm happy to have my job. I have had the misfortune of having to deal with the Clark Co. Child support office too many times to count (not due to any wrong doing on my part, mind you), and I'm sure every one of the mouth breathers in that office feel they are under paid as well, but you want to see in-efficient Gov at play, holy geez, they are as bad as it gets, I could not accept a paycheck, much less one funded by taxpayers, if I were to be employed there. I'm not saying all cops are inept mouth breathers either, it just always hits a nerve with me when I hear any taxpayer funded employee crying about the money they make, then posting holier than thou, I wanna go home safe tonight at the expense of your safety BS.

 

[machete]

Im tired of this I pay your salary bull****.

then get a job where you dont live off me... where you work in the market where people willingly give money to one another... go be a security guard... thats honest work...

First off the way I see it you owe me about 13,000 to bring up to the national average.

if i had my way,,,there would be a lot less of you and your average would be alot lower...

Second I pay taxes to so I am paying myself right?

no people in the market are paying you and your taxes...

 

[machete]

We actually all get along rather well minus a few.

everyone gets along with cops as long as the non cop acts the way the cop wants...always on your terms,,,not ours...

I have found that much of the distrust of us comes from a lack of understanding/knowledge of what we do and why we do it.

the distrust comes from our personal interactions,,,cop statements in public and private,,,and all those stories that show up everyday in the news...

liberty sanders said it right... this profession has gotten way out of control

 

[serpicostraight]

I went and read the comments on that LEO blog and couldn't make it past the first page. I'm honestly getting to the point that I'm ashamed to admit to anyone that I was ever a LEO. I feel every bit as damned extinct as a dinosaur.

Back when I was on the street I would no more have disarmed a legally armed citizen than I would have tried to pull out his teeth. I just don't understand it.

After mulling it over for hours I've reached the conclusion that the only motivation for so offensive a practice is just sheer cowardice. I've never been more glad to be retired so that I don't have to depend for backup on some of these badge-heavy kids. If one of these bigmouths were to confront a real criminal (as opposed to a legal concealed carrier who is willing to bear their insults as a result of maturity and a spirit of good citizenship) I'd expect them to turn, run, and not stop running until they got to their mother's house.

Any LEO who is so paralyzed with terror that he feels the need to do such a thing needs to take off the badge and look into a career in interior decorating or something more in line with their level of testicular fortitude.

words of wisdom. listen and learn youngsters.

 

[Keyser Soze]

then get a job where you dont live off me... where you work in the market where people willingly give money to one another... go be a security guard... thats honest work...



if i had my way,,,there would be a lot less of you and your average would be alot lower...



no people in the market are paying you and your taxes...

I don't live off you. YOU know what I do. What do YOU do? Parents basement? ....People in the free market are paying my taxes? Last time I checked looked like the fed took somewhere to the tune of 8,000.

I love my job I hate people who act like they OWN me.

 

[Keyser Soze]

If you aren't happy with your job or your pay, quit and find a new profession. That is what people do.

Then there are the people who don't like their job or pay and choose to just do their job poorly. A lady I know was recently unhappy with her pay and began adding to her pay at work. She is now doing 2 years in prison.

If you choose to do your job for the pay you are given, I owe you nothing other than a polite thank you for doing your job in a kind courteous manner. If you are doing your job believing that everyone owes you something, you really should go find a new job.

No one owes me anything. I despise the " I pay taxes so im your boss " attitude.

 

[Keyser Soze]

everyone gets along with cops as long as the non cop acts the way the cop wants...always on your terms,,,not ours...
control

Not enforcing your law. Enforcing local law and state code.

 

[PatriotPride]

I went and read the comments on that LEO blog and couldn't make it past the first page. I'm honestly getting to the point that I'm ashamed to admit to anyone that I was ever a LEO. I feel every bit as damned extinct as a dinosaur.

Back when I was on the street I would no more have disarmed a legally armed citizen than I would have tried to pull out his teeth. I just don't understand it.

After mulling it over for hours I've reached the conclusion that the only motivation for so offensive a practice is just sheer cowardice. I've never been more glad to be retired so that I don't have to depend for backup on some of these badge-heavy kids. If one of these bigmouths were to confront a real criminal (as opposed to a legal concealed carrier who is willing to bear their insults as a result of maturity and a spirit of good citizenship) I'd expect them to turn, run, and not stop running until they got to their mother's house.

Any LEO who is so paralyzed with terror that he feels the need to do such a thing needs to take off the badge and look into a career in interior decorating or something more in line with their level of testicular fortitude.

You sir...you deserve rep 1000 times over for this post. If I ever have the chance to meet you, I will gladly shake your hand and buy you a beer. We need more wisdom like this in our police departments.

Perhaps, as you suggested, it is time for police officers who disarm citizens to turn in their badge---or make a transition to Corrections, where you are actually JUSTIFIED in disarming "for your safety" those you interact with. I have nothing but contempt for officers who use their fear as an excuse to trample the rights of the citizens they are sworn to protect.

You want to disarm everyone you interact with so that you can "feel safe" and "go home at night"? Go work Corrections where you interact with those who have been PROVEN guilty and are actually a threat to you. Search them, cuff them, and interrogate them all you want. I as a free man refuse to tolerate such treatment.

+1, You nailed it. Yeah, I'd like to make an extra 13k myself, but right now (and in any economy really) I'm happy to have my job. I have had the misfortune of having to deal with the Clark Co. Child support office too many times to count (not due to any wrong doing on my part, mind you), and I'm sure every one of the mouth breathers in that office feel they are under paid as well, but you want to see in-efficient Gov at play, holy geez, they are as bad as it gets, I could not accept a paycheck, much less one funded by taxpayers, if I were to be employed there. I'm not saying all cops are inept mouth breathers either, it just always hits a nerve with me when I hear any taxpayer funded employee crying about the money they make, then posting holier than thou, I wanna go home safe tonight at the expense of your safety BS.

Correct. I'm sure we'd all like an extra 13k a year. The truth is this---those in a LEO position get paid a DAMN good wage for the amount and type of work done. PERIOD. ESPECIALLY in this economy. The paycheck not as much as you'd like? Find another job. It's as simple as that. I thought it was understood when oaths were sworn that Law Enforcement is not a career to accept if you want a large paycheck.