The SB 101 (Religious Freedom Restoration) Thread

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The culture war speech by Pat Buchanan at the Republican National Convention.

I guess he's proven to have been right.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The funniest part of this whole debacle is that the Republicans have now made homosexuality a protected class via the "fix" that Pence must do.

The Indiana Law Blog: Ind. Gov't. - "What the 'religious freedom' law really means for Indiana"

First law of government: do nothing. Maybe, just maybe, the Republicans will learn it.

"The true art of government is, if possible, to do nothing." Lao Tzu (604BC-531BC)

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

I guess he's proven to have been right.

Although all Pat said was that people of widely divergent philosophies tend not to get along, and that was established a long time before.

Not sure of the exact year, but I'm pretty sure it had a "BC" after it.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

First law of government: do nothing. Maybe, just maybe, the Republicans will learn it.

"The true art of government is, if possible, to do nothing." Lao Tzu (604BC-531BC)

"Initiative is the first step toward reprimand."

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The funniest part of this whole debacle is that the Republicans have now made homosexuality a protected class via the "fix" that Pence must do.

The Indiana Law Blog: Ind. Gov't. - "What the 'religious freedom' law really means for Indiana"

First law of government: do nothing. Maybe, just maybe, the Republicans will learn it.

"The true art of government is, if possible, to do nothing." Lao Tzu (604BC-531BC)

And after you've violated the first rule of government, shouldn't you employ the rule that when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Somebody needs to tell Pence to put his shovel down and take a break.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Understanding the legal issues with IRFRA: https://inadvancesheet.wordpress.co...storation-act-an-analysis-of-its-controversy/

 

[printcraft]

Interesting how the open minded, tolerant crowd will kneecap you, tie your hands, gag you, and put a bag over your head.
all in the name of love and understanding

You usually have to pay extra for that.

 

[Jomibe]

The culture war speech by Pat Buchanan at the Republican National Convention.

The Left is the only side still fighting. The new Republicans are only "conservative" about taxes.

 

[drillsgt]

And after you've violated the first rule of government, shouldn't you employ the rule that when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. Somebody needs to tell Pence to put his shovel down and take a break.

It would've been easier if people would have just not sued over getting their feelings hurt.

 

[longbarrel]

Not great on laws and rules, but isn't there supposed to be a separation between church and state? I figure someone with more knowledge can help answer this. Maybe that only pertains to the people making the laws?

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Not great on laws and rules, but isn't there supposed to be a separation between church and state?

The INGO jury is still out on that one.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Not great on laws and rules, but isn't there supposed to be a separation between church and state? I figure someone with more knowledge can help answer this. Maybe that only pertains to the people making the laws?

No. That oft repeated phrase is not in the Constitution. It was in a letter written by T. Jefferson written to the Danbury Baptists that was basically telling them their sect should not be bothered by the feds. People bring this up all the time when referring to the 1st Amendment as an argument against prayer in schools, 10 Commandments on court house lawns, etc. The first amendment does not say that, it was never intended to mean that. It was meant to mean the federal government could not establish a religion (think of the Church of England) nor could it pass laws that would prevent you from exercising your religion.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It would've been easier if people would have just not sued over getting their feelings hurt.

Yes. If only people would let others be and get over themselves. But this about shutting down one group of people and establishing a new order.

 

[Lowe0]

The Left is the only side still fighting. The new Republicans are only "conservative" about taxes.

If the Right aren't fighting, then what was SB101 - a declaration of love?

 

[brotherbill3]

From FB ... via an IGA elected person:

Indiana Religious Freedom Restoration Act - RFRA

Why now?

Due to the federal government beginning to ram more and more things down our throats and with the Hobby Lobby case last year, Indiana did not have guidelines on its books for the courts in a case like Hobby Lobby's. The federal government enacted the first RFRA in 1993 as a response to a horrible 1990 US Supreme Court decision that confused centuries of recognized First Amendment religious protections. It was authored by Ted Kennedy and Chuch Schumer and signed by President Clinton. In 1997, the US Supreme court ruled that the federal RFRA did not apply to the states, which is why states started to enact their own RFRA's, with Illinois' RFRA being supported by Obama. Today, there are 30 states with RFRA's and again, given the political climate we are experiencing, it only makes sense to provide our courts the legal structure that has worked so well for the federal government for 22 years and 30 other states.

 

[gunsisgood]

If the Right aren't fighting, then what was SB101 - a declaration of love?

I certainly hope so.

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

Yes. If only people would let others be and get over themselves. But this about shutting down one group of people and establishing a new order.

Do you mean those in favor of the new bill, or those against? I'm not clear.

 

[Denny347]

Understanding the legal issues with IRFRA: https://inadvancesheet.wordpress.co...storation-act-an-analysis-of-its-controversy/

Interesting. Valid concerns that only reinforce my skepticism. We are governed by boobs.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Interesting. Valid concerns that only reinforce my skepticism. We are governed by boobs.

It's like the Republican obsession with rape or the occult.

If they would just say and do nothing, things would be much better. If there was a "problem", e.g. a photographer case such as in New Mexico, the Republican could point to a concrete problem and say "we need a law for this" and people would be on board. Instead of repealing laws and telling us how this session would be about "economics" (hey, remember that lie?), they run off into the tall grass and pass bills such as this that they do not understand and deny knowing about the Doctrine of Unintended Consequences.

You can always, always count on the Stupid Party to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

This response from the Obama Administration will upset the Alex Jones wing of INGO:

Obama Orders Homosexual Chemtrail Missions Over Indiana Day After "Religious Freedom Bill" Passed - Big American News