The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[MCgrease08]

It turns out Bernie actually had a heart attack last week.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/20...-had-heart-attack-week-campaign-says-n1062736

I have to say, I am pretty shocked by this. Bernie seems like such a chill, even keel guy.

 

[jamil]

What is truly pathetic is that she would seem a sane candidate compared to the rest of them.

What a choice for Democrats. Bat**** crazy far left opportunistic progressives or a somewhat sane criminal.

Choice isn’t all that much better for GOP. Questionable sanity. Questionable character. But has better policies. And he hasn’t ****ed up anything really important yet, for all the bluster.

 

[KLB]

What a choice for Democrats. Bat**** crazy far left opportunistic progressives or a somewhat sane criminal.

Choice isn’t all that much better for GOP. Questionable sanity. Questionable character. But has better policies. And he hasn’t ****ed up anything really important yet, for all the bluster.

Thankfully he doesn't have the power to **** a lot of stuff up unilaterally. That checks and balances thing actually works sometimes.

 

[Phase2]

[video=youtube_share;AlaQTIdw51g]https://youtu.be/AlaQTIdw51g[/video]

 

[jamil]

[video=youtube_share;AlaQTIdw51g]https://youtu.be/AlaQTIdw51g[/video]

At this point I just don’t see a purpose to her candidacy other than checking off a a victory for intersections of oppression. Yawn.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Warren in Nevada, and adoring fans. Does one have to get the nomination before the Secret Service starts looking after them?

[video=youtube;LwxWwFXrsJw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwxWwFXrsJw[/video]

 

[jamil]

Warren in Nevada, and adoring fans. Does one have to get the nomination before the Secret Service starts looking after them?

[video=youtube;LwxWwFXrsJw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwxWwFXrsJw[/video]

Secret service? Was she threatened?

People could be classier. But calling for secret service is quite hyperbolic.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Secret service? Was she threatened?

People could be classier. But calling for secret service is quite hyperbolic.

You're reading too much into that Jamil. I didn't say she was threatened. I just asked when the Secret Service starts providing protection. I think we both know that if the Secret Service was protecting Warren, those people would have never have gotten as close to Warren as they did. It would seem, as she IS a legitimate contender for the nomination, that (looking at this vid) if someone wanted to do her harm, access isn't really that much of an issue.

 

[jamil]

Or you are.

 

[Dead Duck]

I wouldn't worry about Warren.
I'm sure the Tribal Police are looking into it.

 

[Brad69]

You guys know I am a huge Warren fan !

Here is some nice things going on with her.

She has stated the following facts.

1. She was let go from teaching because she was pregnant.

2. She paid for College on a waitress salary.

3. She had a life long dream of being a teacher.

Here is some information you decide?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/30/eli...college-with-a-part-time-waitressing-job.html


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...-about-losing-her-teaching-job-becau-n2554232


It seems on the surface in less than four minutes she disputed all of her facts?

 

[bwframe]

Warren in Nevada, and

adoring fans. Does one have to get the nomination before the Secret Service starts looking after them?

[video=youtube;LwxWwFXrsJw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwxWwFXrsJw[/video]

This 's gonna get worse before it get's better.

Those noisy loons are trying to out-ANTIFA ANTIFA.

Somebody on our side needs to tell those idiots that we are better than that.

 

[actaeon277]

This 's gonna get worse before it get's better.

Those noisy loons are trying to out-ANTIFA ANTIFA.

Somebody on our side needs to tell those idiots that we are better than that.

We can't call them out, without calling our own.

 

[Phase2]

This 's gonna get worse before it get's better.

Those noisy loons are trying to out-ANTIFA ANTIFA.

Somebody on our side needs to tell those idiots that we are better than that.

Why? Make them live in the same world of abuse that they dish out. We've seen what happens when you take the high road: you lose elections, the culture and the country.
As long as no violence is involved, I'll cheer this. Out-Antifa Antifa? This group was entirely non-violent while Antifa has many times been violent to both people and property. Now try shouting down their speeches, interrupting their classes, restrict them from access to the online public square, pull identical political dirty tricks, etc, etc, etc...

Politicians who don't denounce this activity in their followers, or worse encourage it are the last people who should be immune to this treatment. Alinsky's rules are all about controlling the political sphere, so use them against the politicians who have been benefiting and tacitly or openly encouraging it.

I used to be more aligned with your opinion, but I've seen how it can be used to abuse, demonize, slander and defeat those with excellent reputations and records. Screw 'em hard. Don't lay back and be the victim. I would think that gun owners would understand the philosophy that the violent should be defeated, not allowed free rein.

 

[jamil]

Why? Make them live in the same world of abuse that they dish out. We've seen what happens when you take the high road: you lose elections, the culture and the country.
As long as no violence is involved, I'll cheer this. Out-Antifa Antifa? This group was entirely non-violent while Antifa has many times been violent to both people and property. Now try shouting down their speeches, interrupting their classes, restrict them from access to the online public square, pull identical political dirty tricks, etc, etc, etc...

Politicians who don't denounce this activity in their followers, or worse encourage it are the last people who should be immune to this treatment. Alinsky's rules are all about controlling the political sphere, so use them against the politicians who have been benefiting and tacitly or openly encouraging it.

I used to be more aligned with your opinion, but I've seen how it can be used to abuse, demonize, slander and defeat those with excellent reputations and records. Screw 'em hard. Don't lay back and be the victim. I would think that gun owners would understand the philosophy that the violent should be defeated, not coddled.

People are “red-pilled” often because of the antics of leftist ideologues.

I’ve talked about the left having to relearn the lessons of mutually assured destruction, and how no one can live a life worth living in the world they propose. Sometimes a little payback can be useful. But not so useful when it’s a public spectacle where “our side” looks bat**** crazy.

I’m okay with “payback” more when it’s an obvious reap/sow situation. A politician who publicly calls for harassing opponents gets harassed in the very same way is a lesson in mutually assured destruction; a demonstration that it creates an unlivable world. Same with an active cancelor getting canceled. Karma. It appears to most honest brokers that they brought it on themselves. Warren never advocated harassing her opponents that I’m aware of.

That lady harassing Warren comes off like a lunatic. Not a benefit to people who propose we live in a saner world than the one the left proposes. Bwframe is right.

 

[Phase2]

Warren never advocated harassing her opponents that I’m aware of.

Warren is in the tacit supporter group. She doesn't get a pass. She benefits from it and won't be a factor in trying to calm things down. Every time someone called "far right" does something wrong, Trump and other Republicans are asked over and over by the press to denounce them and they generally do. On the other hand...

Don’t look now but someone in the media finally asked a Democrat to comment on Antifa. Tim Dunn of WBSM Radio in New Bedford gave Elizabeth Warren a chance to condemn Antifa and she failed miserably.

One has to wonder why Warren would even want to condemn Antifa. Many of these masked thugs are her ideological children from the Occupy movement. When pressed by Dunn, Warren twice turned the conversation back to the narrative that President Trump condoned white supremacists in Charlottesville.

 

[jamil]

It sounds more like animus and revenge than a sound tactic. A lunatic screaming at Warren isn’t going to help even if it gives you some temporary satisfaction.

Since you justify this with her inability to condemn Antifa, how far do you want this to go? Bike locks?

 

[Phase2]

It sounds more like animus and revenge than a sound tactic. A lunatic screaming at Warren isn’t going to help even if it gives you some temporary satisfaction.

Alinsky's tactics are effective, but degrade society. Since they chose to use those tactics, make them live with the results as well.

Since you justify this with her inability to condemn Antifa, how far do you want this to go? Bike locks?

Re-read my original post. It should be clear. Initiation of violence is not the answer.

BTW: The bike lock attack was a clear incident of an Antifa member initiating violence, part of why I objected when bwframe said the Warren scene was trying to out-Antifa Antifa.

A second BTW: Notice how I had no problem saying no to violence above when you questioned whether I supported violence? It really wasn't hard. Wish Warren and other tacit Antifa supporters would do the same.

 

[jamil]

Alinsky's tactics are effective. Since they chose to use them, make them live in that world as well.


Re-read my original post. It should be clear.

I read it the first time. Just confirming.

The extent to which the lunatics are losing, they’re losing because Alinsky’s tactics only work so far and only on certain people. If this is only a culture war of attrition, the right loses that. I don’t care what tactics you use. The right isn’t going to win anyway, at least if winning means the world returns to the way it was before Obama. That’s not gonna happen. The only victory that the right can win is overturning the march towards the world that social justice warriors propose. The right doesn’t do that by themselves. They do it with the help from sane people on the left who have been red-pilled at least to the extent that they see this new SJW world is a dystopia.

People see the unfair treatment of other people and they react to that. Joe Rogan, Bill Maher, David Chappelle, are some prominent left wing people who are STILL left wing. But they see the game that the far left is playing and they don’t think that’s a livable world either. “Walk away” movement is real, but they’re walking away from the far left. That doesn’t mean they’re giving up their left wing ideas. Joe Rogan still calls himself a “Democratic Socialist”. But he is an ally fighting the same fight against these Alinsky tactics, cancel culture, etcetera.

Lots of people that people on the right like to watch on YouTube aren’t right wing. Jordan Peterson. Tim Pool. Sargon. And many others. They’re not right wing. But they’ve done more to stop the progressive momentum than the right could ever have done on their own. We’re easy targets. Been demonized for decades in the media, movies, TV. The bad guys. But then, these intellectually honest people on the left notice that we’re not just being treated unfairly. We’re being abused by the far left. And they stand up and say something about that. Because they recognize unfair treatment when they see it. Warren not sufficiently condemning Antifa is not grounds to antifa her. That’s what the left does, and it’s those kinds of actions that honest people see.

Like I said. Making people live by their own rules is probably beneficial. Some of these people who participate in canceling others may see the folly of that and stop it. I think that’s fair, and I think there’s not a downside cost to it. But lunatics screaming at Warren isn’t helping, it’s hurting. There’s a line to draw where the other side if it becomes a child’s game of tit-for-tat.

 

[KittySlayer]

Well it looks like Warren is faced with the same dilemma many of us lowly citizens are. She is leaving a GFZ (airport) and having to make the long unarmed walk to her vehicle where she might have access to tools for her defense. Welcome to our world.

No one in the video threatened violence or tried to block her path. Warren also seemed to handle it with class walking with a focus and the occasional wave to her other adoring fans. Perhaps just like us lowly citizens she can call for the police. When seconds matter the police are only minutes away.