The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[Kutnupe14]

I'll ask again... Based on...? Media speculation? Has any serious person put forth this scenario with any evidence? Or is it just thrown around to stoke some of that "what if" fear?

Based on the current president literally saying that he thought the elections were rigged, and that (during the 2016 campaign) if he lost he might not accept the results and reserved the right to legally challenge them. That would seem to indicate to me that he’s fully prepared to not leave office if he loses and cooks up some scheme as to how the election was invalid.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I didn't attempt to make that case. I simply stated that the current president, unlike the last president has used rhetoric about elections being rigged, and that how he possibly might not accept the results. Full stop.

Ironic.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Ironic.

Is the part where someone tries to imply that the impeachment of Trump was the Democrats way of “not accepting the results?” Lol, what a softball.

 

[nonobaddog]

Is the part where someone tries to imply that the impeachment of Trump was the Democrats way of “not accepting the results?” Lol, what a softball.

Oh good, lets do this again, it'll be just like old times.

This is where I say the dumocraps started planning impeachment before Trump even took office, so YES, it was about the election.
And then you start playing silly semantic games about the word 'planning'. Aaaand... GO.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is the part where someone tries to imply that the impeachment of Trump was the Democrats way of “not accepting the results?” Lol, what a softball.

How about from the queen herself?

[h=1]Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’[/h]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

Doesn't sound very "accepting" to me.

 

[BugI02]

Winning?


https://www.btimesonline.com/articl...rces-agreement-raises-stakes-china-region.htm

If this is the world showing us "respect again," they got a funny way of showing it.

Some mistakes people/countries just have to make for themselves (See:Turkey)

And distancing ourselves from Duterte would seem to be an exception to what you proffer as a 'rule', that Trump loves authoritarians

 

[BugI02]

C’mon man. This Cathy Newman **** doesn’t work. I’m saying the party that has actually behaved like they didn’t accept the results of an election in the past, is more likely to behave like they don’t accept the results of an election in the future. Trump refused to say he would accept the results of the 2016 election if it looked like democrats cheated. But you want to extrapolate that into supporting the idea that he would refuse to step down if he lost in 2020. And that’s an absurd speculation not supported by any evidence.

So what would you be willing to wager that if Trump is re-elected, Democrats will not accept the 2020 results in the same way they did not accept the 2016 election.

You should have left that part off. Now when you are proven correct the discussion will be diverted onto endless sidings of what 'in the same way' means/meant

 

[nonobaddog]

You should have left that part off. Now when you are proven correct the discussion will be diverted onto endless sidings of what 'in the same way' means/meant

Right, or what does "accept" really mean, or what does "not" mean, etc. Lessons learned from willie's willie no doubt.

 

[jamil]

I'll ask again... Based on...? Media speculation? Has any serious person put forth this scenario with any evidence? Or is it just thrown around to stoke some of that "what if" fear?

It’s pure speculation based on that which isn’t relevant.

 

[BugI02]

I'll ask again... Based on...? Media speculation? Has any serious person put forth this scenario with any evidence? Or is it just thrown around to stoke some of that "what if" fear?

They're worried Trump will burn the Reichstag or something

 

[PaulF]

Refusing to leave office is refusing to accept the results of the election. The conversation includes what I added, that it would be more likely that democrats would refuse to accept election results than Trump, based on actual behavior. There isn’t any credible indicator contrary to that. You’re welcome to make your case though. Have at it.

Huckabee is a dumbocrap?

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568?s=20

 

[jamil]

Huckabee is a dumbocrap?

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568?s=20

Well, there are also some crazy Trumpers who would like to see him subvert the constitution to have a 3rd term. But that has nothing to do with the claim, that Trump won’t accept the results of the election and will refuse to leave office.

 

[BugI02]

Huckabee is a dumbocrap?

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/1205211276005101568?s=20

Negative, that's trolling

To truly be a dumbocrap, you have to believe that free **** is really free and that half of this country will willingly work just as hard when required to carry the half that doesn't want to work

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Trump calls on Supreme Court’s Sotomayor and Ginsburg to recuse from ‘anything having to do with Trump’

Eh, clickbait really. It's not like he formally requested such a thing, just Trump talking freely and saying what comes to mind. If he repeats it, then it'd be a bit odd.

President Donald Trump accused Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg on Tuesday of anti-Trump bias and said they should stay out of cases involving him.

Trump cited Sotomayor’s scathing dissent last week in the court’s decision to allow the administration to enforce its “public charge” immigration rule in Illinois.

Ginsburg called Trump a “faker” in 2016, while he was the presumptive Republican nominee for president, and later apologized.

“I just don’t know how they cannot recuse themselves to anything having to do with Trump or Trump related,” the president told reporters during a trip to India.

His comments come just weeks before the court will hear arguments in three cases concerning whether the president can shield his personal and business financial records, including his tax returns, from state prosecutors and Congress. Trump has bucked modern precedent by refusing to make his tax returns public.

 

[Ingomike]

Trump calls on Supreme Court’s Sotomayor and Ginsburg to recuse from ‘anything having to do with Trump’

Eh, clickbait really. It's not like he formally requested such a thing, just Trump talking freely and saying what comes to mind. If he repeats it, then it'd be a bit odd.

This is actually part of a bigger under the current struggle. Now that the newer constructionists are settling in the leftists are not happy, the court no longer has, for the moment, a jurist playing middle field, and a need for niceties. The Sotomayer comments were directed out to try to influence the members she disagrees with. I think it great Trump called her out on this...

 

[T.Lex]

Got an email from the Trump campaign.

In my search - even yearning - for common ground, I actually found some!

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]We need to get the bad people out of our government, and we need to do it fast.

[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Leadeye]

I figure if he's returned to office you will see Impeachment 2.0 somewhere in his term over something. I think he'll leave at the correct time after making a lot of noise if he loses. I remember hearing things about how the last occupant of the office wouldn't leave and he did.

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, at this point I'm not worried about Trump leaving at the legally-appointed time (whenever that may be). I remember rumors about Bush the Elder declaring some sort of emergency and staying in the office.

Seems like that's something that gets floated every cycle.

I still hope Trump resigns, though.

 

[nonobaddog]

I think it is absolutely absurd to talk about a President not leaving office through a fair election process.
The only way this could happen is if the socialists gain enough support and power to take the White House and both congressional bodies and ignore the constitution and supreme court and declare their leader to be kings**t and become a dictator. You know, the usual way socialism destroys a country.

 

[T.Lex]

I think it is absolutely absurd to talk about a President not leaving office through a fair election process.
The only way this could happen is if the socialists gain enough support and power to take the White House and both congressional bodies and ignore the constitution and supreme court and declare their leader to be kings**t and become a dictator. You know, the usual way socialism destroys a country.

Or a populist who finds a way around it, like Putin.