The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

[Hawkeye]

Yes. They are. But maybe if we could openly call aout trump when he does stupid stuff, instead of forcing cheezy excuses, like, “it’s all part of his master plan” Trump would at least adjust his behavior a little. But excusing all that is like a positive feedback loop for him. It just encourages him to do more of it. Of course the media has been extremely unfair to him. But that shouldn’t provide shadows for him to continue the legitimately dumb stuff.

I’m not “excusing” it. I’m ignoring it. There’s a difference.

Sort of like when my kids were little and threw a tantrum. I’d ignore them until they calmed down. Then we’d talk about it.

Right now you can’t have a conversation with the anti-Trump media, Dems or ANTIFA. There is no room for dialog.

Basically I don’t want to be identified with them. And I won’t let them, or you, mischaracterize my silence or lack of rabid, blind, seething hate for “the Donald” as rabid, blind, orgasmic support for him. Or excusing his actions, conduct or anything else.

But if push comes to shove, I will identify and support Trump over the antis.


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[hoosierdoc]

I would suggest a Gold Star for Trumpers instead.

that was my idea. Then when antifa starts whaling on us the “punch a Nazi” crowd will be seen assaulting people dressed as the Nazis forced Jews to dress. Maybe then it will finally sink in what they really represent

 

[jamil]

I’m not “excusing” it. I’m ignoring it. There’s a difference.

Sort of like when my kids were little and threw a tantrum. I’d ignore them until they calmed down. Then we’d talk about it.

Right now you can’t have a conversation with the anti-Trump media, Dems or ANTIFA. There is no room for dialog.

Basically I don’t want to be identified with them. And I won’t let them, or you, mischaracterize my silence or lack of rabid, blind, seething hate for “the Donald” as rabid, blind, orgasmic support for him. Or excusing his actions, conduct or anything else.

But if push comes to shove, I will identify and support Trump over the antis.


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It’s not a binary. It’s not either undying universal support, or rabid blind seething hate. There’s a functional region between those extremes in which one acknowledges the bad with the good.

For example.

****ing a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child identifies the utter depths of Trump’s character as a person. I can’t possibly ignore that and EVER have any moral claim against a democrat for moral lowness. That would be the depths of hypocrisy.

Lowering my taxes was good. Slashing regulations is awesome. I don’t generally believe Presidents have all that much impact on the economy other than removing government barriers, and I think our economy’s strength has at least a little to do with Trump removing some barriers. Picking reasonable origonalists for SCOTUS was awesome. Making headway, notwithstanding some less than advertised results with NK, is a net positive. We’ll see how the tariff strategy works out. The wall? Meh. But at least there’s a possible right-synthasis in a dialectic which has border security and reasonable immigration in it.

See? Was that really all that painful? It’s not making you one of them to say all the things that are true. I’m not willing to selectively ignore things just because of sides taken. I’m not picking a team. I’m just making a conscious choice to believe and say the things that are true enough.

 

[jamil]

A question has aroused my curiosity. Do they allow motorboats in that channel?

 

[Expat]

It’s not a binary. It’s not either undying universal support, or rabid blind seething hate. There’s a functional region between those extremes in which one acknowledges the bad with the good.

For example.

****ing a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child identifies the utter depths of Trump’s character as a person. I can’t possibly ignore that and EVER have any moral claim against a democrat for moral lowness. That would be the depths of hypocrisy.

Lowering my taxes was good. Slashing regulations is awesome. I don’t generally believe Presidents have all that much impact on the economy other than removing government barriers, and I think our economy’s strength has at least a little to do with Trump removing some barriers. Picking reasonable origonalists for SCOTUS was awesome. Making headway, notwithstanding some less than advertised results with NK, is a net positive. We’ll see how the tariff strategy works out. The wall? Meh. But at least there’s a possible right-synthasis in a dialectic which has border security and reasonable immigration in it.

See? Was that really all that painful? It’s not making you one of them to say all the things that are true. I’m not willing to selectively ignore things just because of sides taken. I’m not picking a team. I’m just making a conscious choice to believe and say the things that are true enough.

It has been a weird thing. I was shunned by a buddy for a few months because I wasn't suitably enthusiastic about getting on the Trump train (I didn't vote for him in the primary but did in the general). I don't recall anyone having followers so devoted to anyone.

 

[jamil]

It has been a weird thing. I was shunned by a buddy for a few months because I wasn't suitably enthusiastic about getting on the Trump train (I didn't vote for him in the primary but did in the general). I don't recall anyone having followers so devoted to anyone.

It seems like a problem with extremes. The people on the far left **** on you if you’re not sufficiently anti-trump. The people on the far right **** on you if you’re not sufficiently pro-Trump. But I think the problem is worse on the left.

 

[Birds Away]

A question has aroused my curiosity. Do they allow motorboats in that channel?

Great minds and all that.

 

[Hawkeye]

It’s not a binary. It’s not either undying universal support, or rabid blind seething hate. There’s a functional region between those extremes in which one acknowledges the bad with the good.

For example.

****ing a porn star while his wife was pregnant with his child identifies the utter depths of Trump’s character as a person. I can’t possibly ignore that and EVER have any moral claim against a democrat for moral lowness. That would be the depths of hypocrisy.

Lowering my taxes was good. Slashing regulations is awesome. I don’t generally believe Presidents have all that much impact on the economy other than removing government barriers, and I think our economy’s strength has at least a little to do with Trump removing some barriers. Picking reasonable origonalists for SCOTUS was awesome. Making headway, notwithstanding some less than advertised results with NK, is a net positive. We’ll see how the tariff strategy works out. The wall? Meh. But at least there’s a possible right-synthasis in a dialectic which has border security and reasonable immigration in it.

See? Was that really all that painful? It’s not making you one of them to say all the things that are true. I’m not willing to selectively ignore things just because of sides taken. I’m not picking a team. I’m just making a conscious choice to believe and say the things that are true enough.

You might not be binary, but IMO, too many are. And don’t try to label me as binary because I don’t feel the need to jump on the anti-Trump bandwagon.


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[Alpo]

It seems like a problem with extremes. The people on the far left **** on you if you’re not sufficiently anti-trump. The people on the far right **** on you if you’re not sufficiently pro-Trump. But I think the problem is worse on the left.

Of course you see it that way. You are not on the median.

 

[Expat]

It seems like a problem with extremes. The people on the far left **** on you if you’re not sufficiently anti-trump. The people on the far right **** on you if you’re not sufficiently pro-Trump. But I think the problem is worse on the left.

See that's another thing. The places I vary with the Trumpskyites, I consider myself more conservative on those issues. I guess it all depends on how you define right. I don't consider these yahoos marching around Charlottesville as being on the right in anyway whatsoever.

 

[KLB]

See that's another thing. The places I vary with the Trumpskyites, I consider myself more conservative on those issues. I guess it all depends on how you define right. I don't consider these yahoos marching around Charlottesville as being on the right in anyway whatsoever.

Kind of goes back to how bad the left/right paradigm is.

 

[nonobaddog]

She confuses me. Either you wanna dress like a skank or you wanna be fashionable but you cant be both.
That girl will cost you I guarentee it. That's the type of girl you tell your son not to date.

My daughter will never leave MY house dressed like that

Wow, nice rant. I think she is 100 percent adorable and she can date my son anytime.

 

[Route 45]

She confuses me. Either you wanna dress like a skank or you wanna be fashionable but you cant be both.
That girl will cost you I guarentee it. That's the type of girl you tell your son not to date.

My daughter will never leave MY house dressed like that

Wow, nice rant. I think she is 100 percent adorable and she can date my son anytime.

I gotta agree with nonobaddog here. I don't see anything skanky about her.

 

[actaeon277]

I don't care.
I have the overpowering urge to give her my wallet.
Though I'm sure she'd just laugh.

 

[actaeon277]

Christian Mother Sues School District For Allegedly Planning To Terminate Her Custody Of Transgender Son. She Loses.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/3455...m_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Who is separating families?

 

[Route 45]

Trump revokes ex-CIA Director John Brennan's security clearance | Fox News

 

[ghitch75]

Trump revokes ex-CIA Director John Brennan's security clearance | Fox News

now he needs to pull the rest of them......

 

[Leadeye]

I figure your clearances are for the job, when you leave it, they stay.

 

[ghitch75]

I figure your clearances are for the job, when you leave it, they stay.

i thought the same thing......you leave you out of the loop....

 

[BugI02]

Straw man alert. Your response did not address Kut's quote. Its almost like you didn't read it. Kut's addressing the "opposition" and who they are; the assertion was that it is a construct of the MSM. It isn't.

So, Bug, do YOU consider the media an enemy of the people?

I don't. There is a significant left bias, which is superseded only by the green bias. Bashing Trump draws eyeballs.

But, more importantly, they also get things right sometimes. ("Right" as in "correct.") Blind pigs and acorns, kinda, but to dismiss the MSM on EVERY SINGLE THING is as blind as accepting them on every little thing.

Sorry for the latency, I almost missed this skipping about in this thread

I don't consider the media totally gone over to the dark side, but it's getting pretty close. They are openly an opposition party IMO and as such are hiding behind a first amendment that I do not believe should afford them any cover, but they are playing the game according to the letter of the law. I will also agree that some elements of the chorus do get factual reporting right on occasion, but for me it is far outweighed by opinion dressed up as fact. A good example is the current dust up with Turkey. I can find little factual reporting that can resist working blaming Trump for potential consequences, made up out of whole cloth at this point, into any report. It is sad when Al-jazeera can be relied upon to give a less biased report on world events than WaPo or the NYT. The MSM is certainly for the most part an enemy of this person

And as for the straw man, Kut gave an opinion. I gave a counter opinion from a man in more of a position to know, rather than just my own opinion (I disagree with Kut, also, if you couldn't guess) Although that may be indicative of a tendency to appeal to authority, for which Fargo has rightly taken me to task before, it is not a straw man. I am wondering which one of us is having reading comprehension issues

Most reporters and editors are liberal — a now-dated Pew Research Center poll found that liberals outnumber conservatives in the media by some 5 to 1, and that comports with my own anecdotal experience at National Public Radio. When you are liberal, and everyone else around you is as well, it is easy to fall into groupthink on what stories are important, what sources are legitimate and what the narrative of the day will be.


This may seem like an unusual admission from someone who once ran NPR, but it is borne of recent experience. Spurred by a fear that red and blue America were drifting irrevocably apart, I decided to venture out from my overwhelmingly Democratic neighborhood and engage Republicans where they live, work and pray. For an entire year, I embedded myself with the other side, standing in pit row at a NASCAR race, hanging out at Tea Party meetings and sitting in on Steve Bannon’s radio show. I found an America far different from the one depicted in the press and imagined by presidents (“cling to guns or religion”) and presidential candidates (“basket of deplorables”) alike.

We should all be worried that more than 65 percent of voters think there is a lot of fake news in the mainstream media and that our major media institutions are seen as creating, not combating, our growing partisan divide.


Some of this loss of reputation stems from effective demagoguery from the right and the left, as well as from our demagogue-in-chief, but the attacks wouldn’t be so successful if our media institutions hadn’t failed us as well.


None of this justifies the attacks from President Trump, which are terribly inappropriate coming from the head of government. At the same time, the media should acknowledge its own failings in reflecting only their part of America. You can’t cover America from the Acela corridor, and the media need to get out and be part of the conversations that take place in churches and community centers and town halls.

Sorry, I'll take the testimony of someone in a position to know, who actually lived it, over the opinions of some guy on the internet. Do you wish to infer this guy has an agenda? Do you wish to concurrently assert Kut doesn't?