The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

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    BugI02

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    https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/06/politics/mar-a-lago-foreign-workers-request/index.html

    ...21 of these positions are for cooks. I find it dubious that these are jobs that Americans can't or won't do, especially since the Winter WH has used theses visas to hire cooks, servers, and housekeepers. This would appear to undermine the idea of allowing people to come here only if "they are the best."

    You mean you don't think the best [STRIKE]cooks[/STRIKE] chefs are French?
     

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    Some Brits all upset with trump for sitting in churchill’s Chair. Hah. Did they care when Obama removed his bust?

    churchill would be livid with his pansy country today
     

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    Yeah? The first thing that comes to mind about Churchill is how his ego resulted in thousands dying at Gallipoli.

    AFAIK, Trump hasn't killed thousands....and might even settle the North Korea crisis.
     

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    Yeah? The first thing that comes to mind about Churchill is how his ego resulted in thousands dying at Gallipoli.
    The first thing that comes to mind with Churchill was that he wasn’t Chamberlain. From the acknowledgment of where Britain would have been without him, it’s fair to level due criticisms of a man flawed by the common infirmities of all humans. But it’s not the infirmities that defind why he was an important person in history.
     

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    I don't think England has had a great wartime leader since Henry V, although Nelson and Wellington would be close. Churchill was a deeply flawed man. These weren't "common infirmities". With great power comes great responsibility.
     

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    Some Brits all upset with trump for sitting in churchill’s Chair. Hah. Did they care when Obama removed his bust?

    churchill would be livid with his pansy country today


    If it was hitlary setting there they would be falling over themselves with “madam president” praises.
     

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    If it was hitlary setting there they would be falling over themselves with “madam president” praises.

    Butt they would still have to sanitize the chair.

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    The first thing that comes to mind with Churchill was that he wasn’t Chamberlain. From the acknowledgment of where Britain would have been without him, it’s fair to level due criticisms of a man flawed by the common infirmities of all humans. But it’s not the infirmities that defind why he was an important person in history.

    Just so. Great leaders, whether political or military (or both, like Churchill) are seldom in doubt about their decision making; else they could not be great leaders.

    Being prone to bold gambles to achieve objectives or gain advantage means that the cost of a mistake is often rather high
     

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    Just so. Great leaders, whether political or military (or both, like Churchill) are seldom in doubt about their decision making; else they could not be great leaders.

    Being prone to bold gambles to achieve objectives or gain advantage means that the cost of a mistake is often rather high
    Do you really think they are seldom in doubt? I would agree that they are able to make decisions and give the appearance of a lack of doubt. It would not surprise me a bit if they privately had doubts about their decisions though. Especially in something like WWII where so many lives were on the line.
     

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    I would not know unless they told me (in an autobiography, perhaps). Only Kut can read minds and divine intent.

    But do you think that Alexander or Hannibal had doubts? How about Genghis Khan or Patton. I really don't think you can make bold gambles and have very much in the way of self doubt and dithering
     
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