The [Current Year] General Political/Salma Hayek discussion thread, part 4!!!

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    DoggyDaddy

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    DD. I shouldn't have to use purple. Sarcasm has been around much longer than that. The point, which appears to have escaped many, except for those who like to argue about angels and pinheads, is that something as obvious as having Mexico pay for the wall doesn't need a link. It is ubiquitous in its placement on the interweb.

    [video=youtube_share;2J9y6s_ukBQ]http://youtu.be/2J9y6s_ukBQ[/video]

    Any chimpanzee striking random keys would find it eventually.

    There is an awful lot of stuff promised in that video that have been delivered.

    There has been a renegotiation (actually the proposition of replacement) of NAFTA. The wall is being built. Mexico will indeed "pay" for it in the benefits of the new trade deal. Mexico has stepped up its southern border security, which I'm sure wasn't "free". But less "immigrants" making it to our border certainly saves us some money. The tightening up of asylum status requirements will help as well (enforcing existing treaties/international laws). That will force Mexico to accept them if they are coming into Mexico en route to the USA to make their asylum claim here. I don't think many people were expecting Mexico to send us pallets of cash or anything.
     
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    Ingomike

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    Yeah, it was more than one. A LOT more. Trump laid out a plan, and people believed that plan. When it became obvious that Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall, that when people were like "I knew he didn't really mean Mexico was going to pay for a wall." That's utter BS. Even if some of them knew that Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall, the president MOST CERTAINLY thought that Mexico was, so in that regard, it would appear that many Trump voters know how dumb he was in the first place.

    I found the plan, and it was detailed. So it is true he had a plan. Not that liberal courts would allow it and free border Ryan would never touch it...


    so if The Bern is elected and his socialist promises and plans are not implemented is he a liar?
     

    ArcadiaGP

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    Yes, please. I'm sure there will be no problem getting it into some people's minds that a ****ing coup is taking place.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179179573541511176

    Trump said:
    As I learn more and more each day, I am coming to the conclusion that what is taking place is not an impeachment, it is a COUP, intended to take away the Power of the People, their VOTE, their Freedoms, their Second Amendment, Religion, Military, Border Wall, and their God-given rights as a Citizen of The United States of America!
     

    T.Lex

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    Wow. That's one heck of a doubling down.

    Anyone on INGO agree that it is an actual coup, in the commonly-accepted definition of the word?

    Not some strange multiverse definition in which "enemy" means "someone who takes a different position than me."
     

    Kutnupe14

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    Wow. That's one heck of a doubling down.

    Anyone on INGO agree that it is an actual coup, in the commonly-accepted definition of the word?

    Not some strange multiverse definition in which "enemy" means "someone who takes a different position than me."

    Uhhhh... not sure if serious, or don't read a lot of INGO posts.
     

    ArcadiaGP

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    Wow. That's one heck of a doubling down.

    Anyone on INGO agree that it is an actual coup, in the commonly-accepted definition of the word?

    Not some strange multiverse definition in which "enemy" means "someone who takes a different position than me."

    Uhhhh... not sure if serious, or don't read a lot of INGO posts.

    READY TO GO, TO SAVE THE PRESIDENT FROM THIS COUP

    [SUB]edit: this is a joke about civil war larpers, not heavy people.[/SUB]

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    KG1

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    Wow. That's one heck of a doubling down.

    Anyone on INGO agree that it is an actual coup, in the commonly-accepted definition of the word?

    Not some strange multiverse definition in which "enemy" means "someone who takes a different position than me."

    Uhhhh... not sure if serious, or don't read a lot of INGO posts.

    READY TO GO, TO SAVE THE PRESIDENT FROM THIS COUP

    1080-your-thoughts-militias-fatasstactical.jpg
    You three at it early taking your jabs at Ingo'ers. :coffee:
     

    T.Lex

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    You three at it early taking your jabs at Ingo'ers. :coffee:

    :) Sensitive much?

    No jab, just a question whether people here think its an actual coup.

    I'll start: no, it is not an actual coup. It is a terrible political decision rooted in partisan gamesmanship that can only end badly.

    But that doesn't make it a coup.
     

    mmpsteve

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    :) Sensitive much?

    No jab, just a question whether people here think its an actual coup.

    I'll start: no, it is not an actual coup. It is a terrible political decision rooted in partisan gamesmanship that can only end badly.

    But that doesn't make it a coup.

    It's a new type of coup ... a cold coup. Death by a thousand lies, overwhelming the simpleton minds to believe all the **** being spewed. First set of lies don't work, on to the next on the list ... ad nauseum.

    Does the impeachment spectre not have you questioning the possibility of a cold coup?

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    jamil

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    Wow. That's one heck of a doubling down.

    Anyone on INGO agree that it is an actual coup, in the commonly-accepted definition of the word?

    Not some strange multiverse definition in which "enemy" means "someone who takes a different position than me."

    I wouldn’t say it’s a coup. But given some deep-statey kinds of statements from some fairly high ups in various agencies, talk of “insurance policies”, etcetera; making up elaborate narratives like Russian collusion to try to dig up some grounds for impeachment, and then using the current scandal to say the president needs to be impeached WITHOUT AN INVESTIGATION, kinda shows a willful intent to remove the current administration by any means necessary.

    It’s not a coup in the common use of the term. But it seeks a regime change all the same. I would just say it’s a hyperbolic use of the term. And given the hyperbole thrown around by both sides, it’s pretty tame. I’m way more bothered by the President saying, “we take the guns first...” than I am about this. So calm down. It’s just another Wednesday in American politics.
     

    T.Lex

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    It's a new type of coup ... a cold coup. Death by a thousand lies, overwhelming the simpleton minds to believe all the **** being spewed. First set of lies don't work, on to the next on the list ... ad nauseum.

    Does the impeachment spectre not have you questioning the possibility of a cold coup?

    No.

    First, "cold coup" isn't a thing outside of They Might Be Giants lyrics.

    Second, impeachment is an actual, for realz, constitutional mechanism. Like the electoral college. And bicameral legislative assembly.

    The House has a constitutional right to pass (or try to pass) articles of impeachment. That can't be a coup.
     
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