The 2017 General Salma Hayek discussion thread...Part 3!!!

[Route 45]

Oh, I'm saying the southern democrats, by and large were racist sob's, more properly part of the conservative movement of the republican party today.

You don't get to paint 1960's democrats as Republicans. That is called revisionism. They were Democrats. Period.
Most opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was from Democrats.
Period.
No amount of obfuscation, revision, goalpost moving or strawmen can change that.

 

[Phase2]

Too much Alpo. Not enough Salma...

 

[Woobie]

So, you're saying that I am wrong about the southern democrats and the 64 Civil Rights Act?

Yes, facts matter, which makes Sheep's point pretty ludicrous, don'tcha think?

Of course you are wrong. St. Johnson got more support from Republicans than Democrats, and his own party filibustered it. That is historical record.

Democrats voted 153-91, while Republicans voted 135-36 in the House. In the Senate, Democrats were even less supportive of the bill. The D's went 46-21, while R's voted 27-6.

Source: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409

Now what would have been the vote had the president not brow beaten his own people? That can not be known, but it is clear he got a lot of his party to hold their nose and vote "Yea". Johnson was shrewd and saw the long term benefit for his party. But they didn't have his foresight and went kicking and screaming.

 

[Woobie]

Double

 

[Woobie]

Oh, I'm saying the southern democrats, by and large were racist sob's, more properly part of the conservative movement of the republican party today.

I give you: Exhibit A

So any democrat that does something Alpo approves is a democrat. Any democrat that does something Alpo does not approve is a republican. Got it

 

[BugI02]

Know YOUR history. Please enumerate the democrats who voted against the bill. What states did they represent.

Perhaps you're too young to recognize that there were southern democrats who would never be members of the Party of Lincoln. Hence, Dixiecrats.

In the senate:

In the TEN states where both senators voted no [Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, N. Carolina, S. Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia] ALL of those states were represented by two Democratic senators
There were EIGHT states represented by two Republican senators, IN SEVEN both senators voted yes, in the eighth they split (Iowa). There were NO states represented by two Republicans where both voted no

In the seventeen states where senate representation was split, FIVE split their vote also - it was the Republican senator voting no in all five

There were FIFTEEN additional states represented by two democratic senators, FOURTEEN where both voted yes and ONE where the vote split (W. Virginia)

Notable no votes were Goldwater (R - AZ) and Byrd (D - WVA)

So, states with all Republican senators meant 7 of 8 or 87.5% favored the Civil Rights Act while one split

States with split representation meant 12 of 17 (~70.6%) favoring (100% of the dissent Republican)

States with all Democratic senators meant 14 of 25 (56%) favoring while one split

CLEARLY if you advocated civil rights, you would want your state represented by as many Republicans as possible

 

[BugI02]

Oh, I'm saying the [STRIKE]southern[/STRIKE] democrats, by and large were racist sob's, more properly part of the [STRIKE]conservative[/STRIKE] [mainstream] movement of the [STRIKE]republican[/STRIKE] [Democratic] party today.

I give you: Exhibit [STRIKE]A[/STRIKE]


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[Alpo]

LOL Bug. You don't make your tires Tiger Paws by painting a red stripe on them.

 

[Alpo]

And if you weren't around back then, you might have no idea what I'm talking about.

 

[BugI02]

LOL Bug. You don't make your tires Tiger Paws by painting a red stripe on them.

Only red stripes I ever had were Pirellis (Cinturatos) and Jamaican beer

 

[Alpo]

Effective advertising to teenage boys (and I suspect some adults) back in the 60's. Some guys with 53 Chevy "muscle" cars ( ) were known to take mom's fingernail polish and paint a red stripe on their tires to make their cars go faster.

Well, it was the 60's.....

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Know YOUR history. Please enumerate the democrats who voted against the bill. What states did they represent.

Perhaps you're too young to recognize that there were southern democrats who would never be members of the Party of Lincoln. Hence, Dixiecrats.

Yes, at the time, the Southern racists mostly went Democrat, avoiding the Party of Lincoln, which is the Republican Party, Lincoln being the first ever Republican President.

I believe you reinforce my point, at the time of the passage of the Civil Rights Act, Southern racists were mostly Democrats.

 

[Alpo]

Yes. We agree. Now they call themselves republicans.

 

[printcraft]

Careful, refuting fan fiction facts = dogpile.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Oh, I'm saying the southern democrats, by and large were racist sob's, more properly part of the conservative movement of the republican party today.

I give you: Exhibit A

Ummm... who has always been a Republican and did not join the mutually agreed upon racist Southern Democrats of the time.

And, interesting enough, as the South has become less racist, it has also become MORE REPUBLICAN. Could just be a co-inky-dink.

Exhibit A should be:

 

[Alpo]

And we circle back to the origin of this string of argument about nothing: Sessions couldn't have been a democrat at the time because he wasn't old enough to vote or hold office at the time of the Civil Rights Act of 1964....hence the humorous reference by SNL on "childhood trauma" (although the term child would have been loosely applied in this case)

 

[SheepDog4Life]

And we circle back to the origin of this string of argument about nothing: Sessions couldn't have been a democrat at the time because he wasn't old enough to vote or hold office at the time of the Civil Rights Act of 1964....hence the humorous reference by SNL on "childhood trauma" (although the term child would have been loosely applied in this case)

And, he (Sessions) was a Republican BEFORE Reagan broke the Democratic stranglehold on the South... in fact, he served in the Reagan administration.

None of which changes the facts and the history of which party garnered more support for the Civil Rights Act (Republican) and which garnered the most opposition (Democrat).

It's history and it is written in ink, not pencil. Lol!

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Senator Al Franken accused of misconduct by second woman - BBC News

Will there be a 3rd, 4th, 5th...

 

[SheepDog4Life]

As the very left-tilting (it's a lot more than just leaning, lol) The Atlantic points out, the era of segregation began under the auspices of President Woodrow Wilson, DEMOCRAT!

"The Racist Legacy of Woodrow Wilson:"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/wilson-legacy-racism/417549/

 

[Woobie]

Effective advertising to teenage boys (and I suspect some adults) back in the 60's. Some guys with 53 Chevy "muscle" cars ( ) were known to take mom's fingernail polish and paint a red stripe on their tires to make their cars go faster.

Well, it was the 60's.....

Speaking of effective advertising to young people, Johnson really pulled the wool over your eyes in '64.