That's it.

[IndyDave1776]

Just curious as to why this is even happening. ACA has passed, there doesn't seem to be anything left to "negotiate" so why did the gov shut down? Seems that they should just get back to work.

Explain for me please why it is that as soon as the left gets legislation or court rulings it wants, it is finished and the subject is off limits for future modification but even the most established rights and traditions of the conservative, no matter how deeply ensconced in law, even the Constitution, are considered absolutely subject to modification and/or elimination?

 

[Mad Macs]

Explain for me please why it is that as soon as the left gets legislation or court rulings it wants, it is finished and the subject is off limits for future modification but even the most established rights and traditions of the conservative, no matter how deeply ensconced in law, even the Constitution, are considered absolutely subject to modification and/or elimination?

No idea, I'm not a politician. I only know that ACA passed what it needed to pass through and is LAW. Seems that the Republicans that supposedly "follow the Constitution" cannot accept when the Constitution is followed to the letter and still think that they can negotiate.

 

[ghitch75]

Just curious as to why this is even happening. ACA has passed, there doesn't seem to be anything left to "negotiate" so why did the gov shut down? Seems that they should just get back to work.

because the people have spoken and don't want to be made to do something they don't want to do......more of the KING telling them what they HAVE to do....

 

[Birds Away]

It won't last long, long enough to force any issue. Knees are already going wobbly.
The 12 House Republicans Who Are Ready to Give Up Obamacare Fight in Order to End Government Shutdown | TheBlaze.com

King is McCain in the House. Harry Reid counts on McCain more than he does some of his own party. Peter King in mid America would be outed for being the liberal he most certainly is.

 

[Mad Macs]

because the people have spoken and don't want to be made to do something they don't want to do......more of the KING telling them what they HAVE to do....

Ultimately that doesn't matter, ACA passed and is law. Don't like it? Vote out whoever passed it and get the new people to repeal it. That's how the system works, no?

 

[ghitch75]

Ultimately that doesn't matter, ACA passed and is law. Don't like it? Vote out whoever passed it and get the new people to repeal it. That's how the system works, no?

what the people think "Ultimately doesn't matter"????????????.......so you saying people can't change there mind?......if this was so right why are we where were at?

 

[IndyDave1776]

Ultimately that doesn't matter, ACA passed and is law. Don't like it? Vote out whoever passed it and get the new people to repeal it. That's how the system works, no?

You are completely missing my point. Congress voting, Obama signing, and Roberts doing contortions over the individual mandate notwithstanding, there is no constitutional authority whatsoever for doing any such thing. For the usual reply, I would point out that the 'general welfare' clause is just that, general welfare (i.e., circumstances conducive to life, liberty, and the pursuit--not guarantee--of happiness) is just that, general, not the specific welfare of individuals, even if everyone is theoretically covered. The Constitution does not provide for the redistribution of wealth for the purpose of redistribution which is exactly what is being done (as opposed to the redistribution that happens in the course of spending to do things authorized under Article I Section 8).

 

[Mad Macs]

what the people think "Ultimately doesn't matter"????????????.......so you saying people can't change there mind?......if this was so right why are we where were at?

That's not what I said. The GOV followed the "process" for getting ACA passed, it passed, now the GOP wants to sabotage the GOV because they want to negotiate? Who ever negotiates a deal AFTER the contract is signed? That's just not done.

 

[churchmouse]

Explain for me please why it is that as soon as the left gets legislation or court rulings it wants, it is finished and the subject is off limits for future modification but even the most established rights and traditions of the conservative, no matter how deeply ensconced in law, even the Constitution, are considered absolutely subject to modification and/or elimination?

You already know the answer.

 

[IndyDave1776]

You already know the answer.

It would take all the fun out of it if I didn't!

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Ultimately that doesn't matter, ACA passed and is law. Don't like it? Vote out whoever passed it and get the new people to repeal it. That's how the system works, no?

Tell that to the slaveholders after Dred Scott reversed the previous Supreme Court decision legalizing slavery. Tell that to the States after the 19th(?) Amendment (Prohibition) was passed, then repealed by the 21st Amendment. Bad law is bad law, and this particular law should be the picture in the dictionary definition of "Bad Law". We need to fight its implementation tooth and nail; go around, underneath and over it until we get it nullified or thrown out.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

That's not what I said. The GOV followed the "process" for getting ACA passed, it passed, now the GOP wants to sabotage the GOV because they want to negotiate? Who ever negotiates a deal AFTER the contract is signed? That's just not done.

I guess you've probably forgotten - if you ever knew - that the Democrats moved to block legislation using the same sort of tactics during the Reagan and Bush Presidencies. The difference being, of course, that the news media made it the Republican's fault for being "intransigent". The only difference that I can see is that, in this past few rounds of brinksmanship, the Democrats, embodied in the forms of Obama and Reid and Pelosi, have been even more arrogant about their unwillingness to compromise, and more blatant in their attempts to hurt common Americans to get their way. Of course, the mainstream media takes their side, anyway.

 

[JettaKnight]

I guess you've probably forgotten - if you ever knew - that the Democrats moved to block legislation using the same sort of tactics during the Reagan and Bush Presidencies.

"Oh yeah? They did it first!!"

That argument doesn't fly on playgrounds and it shouldn't fly in Congress.

 

[Streak]

You are completely missing my point. Congress voting, Obama signing, and Roberts doing contortions over the individual mandate notwithstanding, there is no constitutional authority whatsoever for doing any such thing. For the usual reply, I would point out that the 'general welfare' clause is just that, general welfare (i.e., circumstances conducive to life, liberty, and the pursuit--not guarantee--of happiness) is just that, general, not the specific welfare of individuals, even if everyone is theoretically covered. The Constitution does not provide for the redistribution of wealth for the purpose of redistribution which is exactly what is being done (as opposed to the redistribution that happens in the course of spending to do things authorized under Article I Section 8).

The Supreme Court has approved Obamacare. There is nothing more to be said...they are the highest court in the land and until they reverse their decision or the law is repealed in Congress it's a done deal. That's it, it's over. Pack up your things and go home. Your argument is nullified and voided. Thank you for playing. Goodbye. Adios. See you later.


None of your interpretations of the Constitution apply or are important. Why? Because there are liberals who read the Constitution and see that the 2nd Amendment (to them) says that bearing arms is for a militia. Since the militia is now done by the Federal government and at no point does the Constitution permit guns for self defense, hunting, or recreational use then there would be need nor right for you to have guns. How do I know this? I've made no secret that I used to feel this way. Interpretations can change and the only interpretations that really matter are those with the title of Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

The Democrats shouldn't have to "compromise" on a passed law. The minority of Republicans doing this are in no position to make demands. They slander the law making process and have held hostage the federal government and this is what we're left with:

1) "Obamacare" was passed by Congress.
2) President Obama was reelected on the "Obamacare" platform. He won both the electoral and the popular vote (this is the vote that counts everyone's vote).
3) 40 separate attempts to repeal "Obamacare" were made by Congress. It failed 40 separate times.
4) The Supreme Court upheld the Constitutionality of "Obamacare".

And that's it. If you don't want Obamacare elect the Representatives needed to repeal it. Elect a new President who'll sign the repeal. If you can't do either of those things because of a majority of Americans and you can't respect this process then you're free to leave America if you so choose, because this process is what separates us from the Monarchies. Our Representative Democracy isn't about pleasing everyone. If you're not happy vote, complain, do everything BUT hold hostage our government. Because by god you don't have right. No where are you given the right to hold our government hostage because you don't agree with the legal and challenged and confirmed laws of this land.

 

[churchmouse]

That's not what I said. The GOV followed the "process" for getting ACA passed, it passed, now the GOP wants to sabotage the GOV because they want to negotiate? Who ever negotiates a deal AFTER the contract is signed? That's just not done.

The dems twisted the process into a pretzel. Closed door bribery and so much more that space and my typing skills are not up to the task.

If you call that due process then you are part of the issue here.

Did you by chance vote for Barry and his crew????

 

[D-Ric902]

No idea, I'm not a politician. I only know that ACA passed what it needed to pass through and is LAW. Seems that the Republicans that supposedly "follow the Constitution" cannot accept when the Constitution is followed to the letter and still think that they can negotiate.

You mean like immigration laws that are followed to the letter?
like gun laws are followed to the letter?

 

[Mad Macs]

The dems twisted the process into a pretzel. Closed door bribery and so much more that space and my typing skills are not up to the task.

If you call that due process then you are part of the issue here.

Did you by chance vote for Barry and his crew????

Cry me a river, this is POLITICS, not Sunday morning cartoons.

 

[Streak]

You mean like immigration laws that are followed to the letter?
like gun laws are followed to the letter?

Unfortunately the gun laws are written directly into the Constitution and are ambiguous in their interpretation. Immigration laws are not in the Constitution and are laws separate from the Constitution and are a totally different beast.

 

[Dean C.]

I hope not a single senator or represenative is reelected it is time America decides enough is enough with this petty bickering between basically two children.

 

[wildhair]

Just keep spending more money than you take in, keep buying your own debit with phony money that you print, keep giving us more Socialism that never works, just keep it up until we are bankrupt. Destroy our morals and values that our country was founded on. The masses won't even notice until it's to late. It's all in the communist doctrine.