Teen homeschooler jailed under Patriot Act

[turnandshoot4]

No they are not gone!
BUT THEY SHOULD BE!

Here are the 2 from Indiana and how they voted,
Indiana:Bayh (D-IN), YeaLugar (R-IN), Yea

Most of them are still there and here is the COMPLETE list of who did and who didn't vote for the "Patriot Act"

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Great post. It really shows you how corrupt both parties are. Well, except for Feingold. You know, the Democrat from Wisconsin.

You see? This guy gets it. In everything, the problem is not the "thing" its the "people that use the thing". Some of you may have heard the phrase "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." Well, the patriot act doesn't abuse people's rights, a tyrannical government does.

The loss of rights is a problem. No matter what. I don't care if a "conservative" president went out and stripped "terrorists" of their rights. The fact is that in the name of security our rights were given away. Under the premise that we will be safer. Screw that. A larger government was created under a "conservative" so we could be safer. Screw that. The patriot act violates people's rights because the power was given to THE GOVERNMENT. They don't have to be tyrannical governement to trample your rights. They did it with a smile when they signed this into law. And now that someone else is using it you don't want to be around anymore? What happend to all the fear? Where is everone defending it so "we don't have another 9/11?"

Is the patriot act now a bad thing because a republican isn't in office? We have went over countless people whom have been jailed, unjustly, under the patriot act before and people defended it. Now that Obama is doing this it's bad? It was a republican baby from the start. And now they want to cry foul. It should have never been enacted in the first place.

Let the terrorists come. I will not sacrafice my liberties so people can live fat, dumb, and happy inside their cubicles everyday.

 

[misconfig]

This scares me, I couldn't imagine being woke up by a fleet of Feds. Not to mention most of us would probably be wielding a weapon in defense of our families not even knowing it is the law. They'd shoot you dead.

 

[jsgolfman]

A little updated info on this case and the kid. He may not be so innocent:

Teenage Bomb Threat Suspect Was Internet Prank-Call Star | Threat Level

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Ugh. If that story is true, that kid will be looking through cell bars until he is 18.

 

[CarmelHP]

Ugh. If that story is true, that kid will be looking through cell bars until he is 18.

Not to mention all those who engaged in a criminal conspiracy by offering payment to make the calls. The mom is unspeakably complacent about all his criminal activities.

And they're seeking to charges as an adult so that's potentially past 18.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Ooh, Carmel, I didn't see that part in the story. Yes, he may be in jail for quite a while.

I also hate to hear a parent say something to the effect of, "I never really knew what he was doing in his room. I just knew that he was on the computer all the time." As a parent that tries to know what my son is doing with the majority of his time, that raises the hair on the back of my neck. If I remember correctly, one of the Columbine H.S. shooters' parents said nearly that same sentiment.

This "kid" has a long legal road ahead of him.

 

[CulpeperMM]

Yes, it may be that he is guilty. We do not know. There has been no trial, no due process. He has been scooted away without access to counsel. He has been carted off like a terrorist for allegedly making prank calls. Does it take a dozen FBI agents to arrest an unarmed kid? Come on. This is abuse of the power of the Federal Government. At most he should be in his local sheriff's tank or county juvee. This is insane.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Culpepper, from the way I read it, he HAS had access to counsel as he has been in front of a judge three times (I think it was) already. But again, maybe I read it wrong.

 

[Chefcook]

Gentlemen it may be time to consider the very real possibility that we have already waited too long, and that we will never get our country back. I honestly think this may be the case. The end game has been being run right under our noses and we have been too blind to see it. The America our forefathers founded has long since gone by the wayside.

They will pacify the general public just enough to avoid armed revolt and continue chipping away at what few rights we have left until we have no rights or means to revolt... Game Over...

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Umm... Chefcook? I found this laying near your firing lane when you left a while ago...

 

[CarmelHP]

Yes, it may be that he is guilty. We do not know. There has been no trial, no due process. He has been scooted away without access to counsel. He has been carted off like a terrorist for allegedly making prank calls. Does it take a dozen FBI agents to arrest an unarmed kid? Come on. This is abuse of the power of the Federal Government. At most he should be in his local sheriff's tank or county juvee. This is insane.

I'm not as sanguine about his activities. He was making bomb threats (I don't have to give him a presumption of innocence, I'm not involved in the proceedings). His idiot mother made pretty damning admissions. This is not a victimless crime, it is a very messy and expensive crime for the local governments that have to send out police and fire responders. He has counsel according to reports. His committed a crime that has been on the books 70 years, this has nothing to do with the PATRIOT Act, he just had some good spinmeisters but it's unraveling now. I have little sympathy for him.

 

[Chefcook]

Umm... Chefcook? I found this laying near your firing lane when you left a while ago...

Not my work. The grouping is way too loose...

 

[CulpeperMM]

I'm not as sanguine about his activities. He was making bomb threats (I don't have to give him a presumption of innocence, I'm not involved in the proceedings). His idiot mother made pretty damning admissions. This is not a victimless crime, it is a very messy and expensive crime for the local governments that have to send out police and fire responders. He has counsel according to reports. His committed a crime that has been on the books 70 years, this has nothing to do with the PATRIOT Act, he just had some good spinmeisters but it's unraveling now. I have little sympathy for him.

I hear ya. But a dozen agents and two state policemen? You think they really thought he had bomb material? I think they were using a heavy hand to make a point. Incarcerate him in IN, 800 miles from his mother? Looks like the reports are pretty conflicting as well. Just because "WIRED" says something, doesn't make it true.

 

[Coach]

I would like to see some more media coverage. Why haven't more TV stations in the state picked up on this? Why has there not been a story on a arrest in a case involving a bomb threat at Purdue?

This kid may be very guilty, but one story does not convince me that due process has been correctly applied here. The due process is my biggest concern I don't care if he is guilty or not I want civil rights protected.

 

[jsgolfman]

Not my work. The grouping is way too loose...

lol, nicely played.

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

lol Hopefully I made Chef smile a bit.

 

[Donnelly]

Gentlemen it may be time to consider the very real possibility that we have already waited too long, and that we will never get our country back. I honestly think this may be the case. The end game has been being run right under our noses and we have been too blind to see it. The America our forefathers founded has long since gone by the wayside.

They will pacify the general public just enough to avoid armed revolt and continue chipping away at what few rights we have left until we have no rights or means to revolt... Game Over...

I really wish Chefcook was wrong, but most likely he is spot-on right. Sad day.

Anyway, repped for accuracy.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

You know... I have no regards to the well-being of this kid, if he's guilty.

Like Carmel, I have no reservations to presumptions that he's innocent. The fact that his mother was complacent in these incidents, and the fact that there's probably enough evidence with this 'Tyrone' fellow, I'd call him good as guilty.

I don't care what his mother says, either. Mother's word is next to nothing for an alibi in court. I'm sure he was at church/going to church/getting a hotdog when the crank calls occurred.

The fact is: she admits to his wrong-doing, and admits to knowing about it. Of course, assuming Wired is correct in all of this.

And, if they are, this kid needs to be charged to the fullest extent of the law. Furthermore, it's people like him, stupid and juvenile, that set up precedents for our rights to be screwed more and more.

 

[4sarge]

Follow UP

Ind. Courts - "Teen to be tried in bomb threats"


Some quotes from this story today by Anne Blythe of the Raleigh NC News & Observer:

Federal prosecutors say a teenager from Oxford is a celebrity in an online prankster world in which conspirators, for nominal fees, make bomb threats to high schools, universities, federal offices and other places and then broadcast the results live to a select audience.
In indictments issued this week by a federal grand jury in Indiana, prosecutors accuse Ashton Lundeby, 16, of making or helping make bomb threats in at least a dozen states from his home computer since last year. In some cases, prosecutors say, Lundeby and unnamed co-conspirators would collect fees to lodge bomb threats at high schools and middle schools with the goal of closing school for the day.
Federal prosecutors call it "Swatting," the act of making a false emergency report that frequently prompts responses from special weapons and tactics, or SWAT, teams. They say Lundeby and the co-conspirators used pseudonyms and elaborate computer gaming techniques to disguise their voices and identities, then transmit threats and watch live through video surveillance and webcams as law enforcement teams responded.
Lundeby, a homeschooled boy arrested March 5 in his Oxford home and taken to Indiana, is being tried as an adult in federal court, though under federal law he is considered a juvenile. He is scheduled to go before a federal magistrate in Indiana today. * * *
According to the indictments, Lundeby is accused of making a bomb threat to Purdue University on Feb. 15 and to Indiana University-Purdue University at Fort Wayne on Jan. 31. He also is accused of conspiring to make bomb threats and conveying false information over the Internet and telephone lines from mid-2008 to March 6.
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Here is a July 8th story from Wired.

 

[SavageEagle]

Ind. Courts - "Teen to be tried in bomb threats"


Some quotes from this story today by Anne Blythe of the Raleigh NC News & Observer:

Federal prosecutors say a teenager from Oxford is a celebrity in an online prankster world in which conspirators, for nominal fees, make bomb threats to high schools, universities, federal offices and other places and then broadcast the results live to a select audience.
In indictments issued this week by a federal grand jury in Indiana, prosecutors accuse Ashton Lundeby, 16, of making or helping make bomb threats in at least a dozen states from his home computer since last year. In some cases, prosecutors say, Lundeby and unnamed co-conspirators would collect fees to lodge bomb threats at high schools and middle schools with the goal of closing school for the day.
Federal prosecutors call it "Swatting," the act of making a false emergency report that frequently prompts responses from special weapons and tactics, or SWAT, teams. They say Lundeby and the co-conspirators used pseudonyms and elaborate computer gaming techniques to disguise their voices and identities, then transmit threats and watch live through video surveillance and webcams as law enforcement teams responded.
Lundeby, a homeschooled boy arrested March 5 in his Oxford home and taken to Indiana, is being tried as an adult in federal court, though under federal law he is considered a juvenile. He is scheduled to go before a federal magistrate in Indiana today. * * *
According to the indictments, Lundeby is accused of making a bomb threat to Purdue University on Feb. 15 and to Indiana University-Purdue University at Fort Wayne on Jan. 31. He also is accused of conspiring to make bomb threats and conveying false information over the Internet and telephone lines from mid-2008 to March 6.
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Here is a July 8th story from Wired.

Thanks for the follow up.

My question is what "Gaming techniques" can you use to disguise your voice with? At least they didn't call him a computer hacker or cyber terrorist...

On second thought, they outta hire this kid to test the SWAT Team's response times and techniques. Sounds like he's got some skills they could use...