Target's New Rules

[Schwartzki]

"starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law."
http://abullseyeview.com/2014/07/target-addresses-firearms-in-stores/

 

[squidvt]

Already MDA is spouting victory.

 

[Tater36]

Another reason (other than being an over-priced walmart) not to go to target

 

[88GT]

And when someone respectfully declines to honor that request?

The comments reflect Americans' stupidity. If they can't see a gun, they assume it must not be there.

 

[squidvt]

They just like to play Ostrich. They think that by "banning" guns the bad guys wont come in.

 

[spec4]

Reading the comments helps one to understand why we have Obama in office.

 

[88GT]

I'm doing my grocery shopping at Meijer this morning where my OC has always been accepted.

 

[squidvt]

Meijer is just as bad, but I think I will start shopping there. How long until you MDA try to go after Wal-Mart and Meijer.

 

[Tater36]

Guess meijer is my new place to go as well.

 

[88E30M50]

I really wonder if the pro-gun groups doing the open carry in a store like Target is not just a bunch of anti-gunners that realized they can turn the issue on their own without gun owners support. They stage an 'appreciation' event with lots of scary pictures and then the other side of the group comes in an protests. They force a store to make a decision and that decision will always be the one that places the store in the least legal jeopardy. They can do the whole thing by themselves without any pro-gun folks joining in on the 'debate'.

 

[Birds Away]

I can't see the comments. Probably better off.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

I've never had an issue carrying in a Target.

 

[1775usmarine]

Meijer is just as bad, but I think I will start shopping there. How long until you MDA try to go after Wal-Mart and Meijer.

Soon very soon. They will try to do the same thing they do ever night.... try and take over the world.

 

[jkaetz]

All these "requests" are simply a placation measure. There is no force of law or even policy in them. It is simply a request. People are free to ignore it and go on about their business. I don't now why I'm still amazed at the foolishness of "I don't see it, it doesn't exist."

 

[Denny347]

When cornered, most large companies will say this exact same thing. I'm sure it is some insurance and/or investor thing. Trick is, try not cornering them.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

When cornered, most large companies will say this exact same thing. I'm sure it is some insurance and/or investor thing. Trick is, try not cornering them.

Yep. If you force them to make a choice, most have shown they'll take the least controversial way out. You gotta admit MDA has an effective strategy here.

 

[wabashman]

Problem is...my local target (Kokomo) is located inside the mall. Granted it has it's own outside entrance, but I am still unsure if you can actually carry in there since the mall itself is a GFZ.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Yep. If you force them to make a choice, most have shown they'll take the least controversial way out. You gotta admit MDA has an effective strategy here.

I think it is less MDA and more corporate risk assessment lawyers. The MDA group is just taking advantage of the fact that our society love to file lawsuits, even in cases where no laws are broken. There are a number of cases where criminal procedings have found a person innocent of wrong doing, but the follow up civil suit has resulted in some sort of punitive action.

It is nothing more than extortion at the basic level. Hanging the threats of civil lititgation over the heads of just about everyone with a few 00's ahead of the decimal point in their bank account means most folks try to be pretty risk adverse. Now add to that a fortune 500 company with associated deep pockets, and you realize realy quickly that they are an easy target for a wrongful death, willful negligence, or other type of lawsuit if someone is shot in one of their facilities.

We all know that legally these locations can't prohibit firearms, but can ask us to leave and we can be charged with tresspassing if we refuse. That little loophole gives them plausible deniablility if they were to be named in a civil suit. They can claim that the person with the firearm willfully violated policy and that the indivudal is culpable, not the owner of the property.

I'm sure Kirk or some of the other resident legal experts can chime in and comment just to the level that a "No firearms" sign or policy protects a company from civil suit.


If we flip it around another way, lets assume Wal-Mart places a big sign out front saying "gun owners welcome" and some idiot coon-fingers his gun and shoots someone. The victim (I use the term loosely) could claim that Wal-Mart's policy put them in danger and that they were therefore liable for damages. No different from a person spilling hot coffee on their lap, etc. Maybe the judge will throw it out as frivolous, and maybe not.

 

[Viper1973]

Voiced my feelings in their comments section... I have no problem shopping at WalMart or Meijer and actually prefer those to Target. At least I know my credit card data is safe there... Target already proved they can't even 'secure' that... little lone guarantee customers safety.

 

[jblomenberg16]

Voiced my feelings in their comments section... I have no problem shopping at WalMart or Meijer and actually prefer those to Target. At least I know my credit card data is safe there... Target already proved they can't even 'secure' that... little lone guarantee customers safety.

But to what extent are they responsible for our safety? Sure, we expect the store to be safe from hazards like electrical shock, sharp corners on shelving, structural failures, etc. But where does their responsibility end and ours kick in? And, couldn't we also argue that NOT being able to carry our self defense weapon means they aren't guaranteeing our safety? Afterall, we know that "no guns allowed" signs don't deter criminals from still carrying out their activities, so shouldn't we have the ability to protect ourselves?