Student Opposes Homosexuality, Get Suspended

[Bill of Rights]

If your point is that it is impossible to not shade issues by and with your own preferences and beliefs, yes, you're correct. People have opinions and yes, those do come through. Choosing in what order to present facts does likewise, and this is more a matter of a class in Persuasive Speech than one of philosophy.

My main point is that there is a gulf of difference between choosing the order of presentation without showing a particular bias for one or another viewpoint and a teacher disciplining ideas s/he considers "wrong" based on his own values and preferences. If a teacher gives an assignment to write a paper on "gun control" in America, and fails any student who writes ill of the Brady Campaign or VPC, that's hardly the same as choosing how to present both sides. You're a smart guy, Bingley, and I'm certain you see the chasm between those two vastly different approaches. I don't imagine you're just playing devil's advocate, so I'm left wondering as to your intent. Regardless, I do appreciate the discussion. It's only by challenging our views that we can truly validate them.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[J_Wales]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

Well, if had stated it as "eloquently" as you just did, he should have been suspended.

 

[rambone]

Intolerant boy is punished by intolerant school.

People need to get a life and stop trying to control your neighbor.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

With this response, we'll be able to see how tolerant are the INGO posters! Well done!

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

Well, if had stated it as "eloquently" as you just did, he should have been suspended.

May I politely ask why he "should" be suspended?

Free speech we all agree with is not free speech at all. While we may not agree, we should DEFEND each other's right to speak freely - or else we will lose this right (if we haven't already).

Maybe J-Wales was trying to provoke just such an exchange? I'm just sayin'.....

 

[jd4320t]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

Why is it that the left preaches tolerance to the right, but exhibits none of it themselves? Why are they not tolerant of this little boy's opinion? It's just an opinion...he's not forcing it on anyone...unlike the establishment who has suspended him!

 

[Expat]

Why is it that the left preaches tolerance to the right, but exhibits none of it themselves? Why are they not tolerant of this little boy's opinion? It's just an opinion...he's not forcing it on anyone...unlike the establishment who has suspended him!

Not to mention the continuing assault on free speech on college campuses. They don't try to compete in the free market place of ideas. No, they go to extremes to shut contrary voices down. They attack speakers physically if necessary to stop them from being heard. You hear very little from the free speech advocates when it happens.

 

[Kase]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

You mean he insulted ciggarettes too?!?!?!?

 

[RockofStrength]

You mean he insulted ciggarettes too?!?!?!?

I think he means a bundle of sticks tied together.

 

[J_Wales]

You mean he insulted ciggarettes too?!?!?!?

I think he means a bundle of sticks tied together.

LOL!

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

fag 1 |fag|
noun [ in sing. ] informal, chiefly Brit.
a tiring or unwelcome task: it's too much of a fag to drive all the way there and back again.
• Brit.a junior pupil at a private school who works and runs errands for a senior pupil.
verb ( fags, fagging , fagged ) [ no obj. ] Brit. informal
work hard, esp. at a tedious job or task: he didn't have to fag away in a lab to get the right answer.
• (of a pupil at a private school) work and run errands for a senior pupil.
ORIGIN mid 16th cent. (as a verb in the sense ‘grow weary’): of unknown origin. Compare with flag1.

fag 2 |fag|
noun informal, derogatory
a male homosexual.
DERIVATIVES
faggy adjective
ORIGIN 1920s: short for ******.

fag 3 |fag|
nounBrit. informal
a cigarette.
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: elliptically from fag end.

 

[Kutnupe14]

May I politely ask why he "should" be suspended?

Free speech we all agree with is not free speech at all. While we may not agree, we should DEFEND each other's right to speak freely - or else we will lose this right (if we haven't already).

Maybe J-Wales was trying to provoke just such an exchange? I'm just sayin'.....

Using homosexual is one thing, "fag" quite another. It's a inflammatory slur which often lead to violence. On the street, a person can say whatever they want, but in a school setting, where students must attend, they should not be subjected to such.

 

[Carmelbythecorn]

Using homosexual is one thing, "fag" quite another. It's a inflammatory slur which often lead to violence. On the street, a person can say whatever they want, but in a school setting, where students must attend, they should not be subjected to such.

My point was that I wondered if J_Wales was trying to demonstrate that tolerance is much easier to preach than it is to live, and that free speech isn't free if the "thought police" say what can be said in public settings and what cannot be said. I am not against being polite, nor am I against decorum, but when people cannot say their opinions, a little more socialism/fascism sneaks under the tent day by day.

For the record I do NOT think you are acting as the thought police. While we may or may not agree on this particular issue, I defend your right to say it and I enjoy the discussion.

 

[RockofStrength]

Using homosexual is one thing, "fag" quite another. It's a inflammatory slur which often lead to violence. On the street, a person can say whatever they want, but in a school setting, where students must attend, they should not be subjected to such.

In before someone mentions that a school is no longer a "free speech zone"

Certainly using that term is as utterly lacking in basic human decency as the N-word or any other slur, but I don't see the logic that a person ought to be punished for showing his boorishness. If it escalates into violence by all means suspend him, but I don't like when a government agency (including schools) limits speech, even boorish and hateful speech.

 

[MTC]

Intolerant boy is punished by intolerant school.

More like student punished by intolerant teacher. To punish a student for simply saying to a classmate that he thinks ____ is wrong is to enforce if not outright thought control, then at least speech control. That is not to say that teachers shouldn't be given wide latitude to maintain decorum in the classroom. Looking back on it, in those rare instances where one or more students said something actually disruptive (which is not the case here) the teacher would say something similar to "Knock it off", and that was the end of it.

Not to mention the continuing assault on free speech on college campuses. They don't try to compete in the free market place of ideas. No, they go to extremes to shut contrary voices down. They attack speakers physically if necessary to stop them from being heard. You hear very little from the free speech advocates when it happens.

Yes, to use terms some like to throw around, quite dictatorial, hypocritical, and authoritarian of them.

You mean he insulted ciggarettes too?!?!?!?

Jolly good joke, ol' boy.

 

[Bitter Clinger]

Sounds like the teacher is a pole smoker.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

Suspended simply because he refuses to accept fags.

The thought police are everywhere.

Let me guess, you are still mad that women and blacks can own property and vote too right? What about whites and blacks being able to marry, that get your blood boiling?

The ignorance of people is astounding.

 

[Mosinowner]

I would yell back at the teacher (Like I have many times before when they have yelled at me also they are wrong allot) I would tell them to read the constitution and then see me in court for verbal abuse.