LONNIE! Well how the hell have you been? I read your name as Ira, not L. Rahm, as in the Sgt who I had the Wonderful encounter with a couple weeks ago. Man, Mabrey was right. I think you guys should make HIM a detective, I never dreamed you guys would track me down to harass me on an internet forum...The cop was there to investigate "a man with a gun". He has the right to ask for an ID. Any court in the states would say that's enough probable cause. To stand there and not answer or refuse to produce a license and/or ID is enough to detain until such information is obtained. He was not on a "fishing trip".
...BINGO!!! Thank you for saying that! You hit the nail on the head, and highlighted the thing I have problem with.
The problem here is you don't care about American rights as you claim. You care about about YOUR rights. It's fine if your rights violates other people rights. Thats just their tough luck. But God forbid someone elses rights violate yours. If you truly respect the Bill of Rights as you and your username suggest, you would respect everyones rights equally, not just your own.
You are free to live your life how you see fit, and have any option you want. But don't expect me to let the thuggish hypocrisy of the value system you have just admitted to not be called out.
Finity, you can site all of the statistics you want but:
1. You don't walk into a NICU with an exposed weapon and not expect to have the police called on you.
Bill, is this an INGO first? Ladies and gentlemen, we now how confirmed that both sides of the story are on the same thread inloving a LEO dispute.Unless, of course, you have a badge on. If you aren't wearing a piece of metal on your shirt, you can never be trusted, but if you are, you can? Is that your point?
LONNIE! Well how the hell have you been? I read your name as Ira, not L. Rahm, as in the Sgt who I had the Wonderful encounter with a couple weeks ago. Man, Mabrey was right. I think you guys should make HIM a detective, I never dreamed you guys would track me down to harass me on an internet forum...
So, what do you think about what all these people have said? Does it now sound more likely that in that very instant I was more correct than you? Oh and tell me, is Willy really the older guard? That would be a riot, a veritable St Marys reunion.
Unless, of course, you have a badge on. If you aren't wearing a piece of metal on your shirt, you can never be trusted, but if you are, you can? Is that your point?
Amen to that. +1,000,000 to Bill for the time he puts in here.Dangit Bill, if I didn't always have to spread the rep wealth around before hitting you again, you'd probably be full.
BumpShadow, you seem to be mixing up legal rights with your own personal feelings and value system.
If you wish to abide by requests which are in no way legally enforceable, go right ahead. But those who ignore such requests are not violating anyone's legal rights.
Bill, is this an INGO first? Ladies and gentlemen, we now how confirmed that both sides of the story are on the same thread inloving a LEO dispute.
I did read some of that thread, but I missed that part of it, I will have to check that one out again.Not the first, but it hasn't been confirmed to happen too often. The most recent I'm aware of was a case where an INGO member had to discharge his firearm in his own defense, into the ground, and the attorney who prosecuted him joined up after the case was done.
Of note, though, I think both sides of that comported themselves with good manners and dignity in discussions and the prosecutor, no longer doing that job, has been very helpful in many threads. I think we benefit by having representatives of different groups here for the different points of view they hold.
It's their right to cite it.
Bill is.
Do you always make personal attacks when some one doesn't sing the same song as you?
Just having a gun doesn't mean anything if you don't know how to use it.
Whats the very next thing EVERYONE here says after telling someone to get a gun? Train with it. Develop the "skill". While it may seem like a no-brainer to you and me, that doesn't mean its that way for everyone.
Talking about gun accident rates in an irrelavant manner doesn't make them irrelavant. An idiot with a gun is just as dangerous to himself and others as a violent criminal.
I don't carry, yet. I have been the military as a weapons tech and have been trained with them.
But I'm not a thug about it either.
I've only reacted to the thuggish idea of "Always carry, even if it violates someone elses rights". It's hypocritical and wrong.
The problem here is you don't care about American rights as you claim. You care about about YOUR rights. It's fine if your rights violates other people rights. Thats just their tough luck. But God forbid someone elses rights violate yours. If you truly respect the Bill of Rights as you and your username suggest, you would respect everyones rights equally, not just your own.
Finity, you can site all of the statistics you want but:
1. You don't walk into a NICU with an exposed weapon and not expect to have the police called on you.
LONNIE! Well how the hell have you been? I read your name as Ira, not L. Rahm, as in the Sgt who I had the Wonderful encounter with a couple weeks ago. Man, Mabrey was right. I think you guys should make HIM a detective, I never dreamed you guys would track me down to harass me on an internet forum...
So, what do you think about what all these people have said? Does it now sound more likely that in that very instant I was more correct than you? Oh and tell me, is Willy really the older guard? That would be a riot, a veritable St Marys reunion.