Sphynx

[Crystalship1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scutter01
I suggest that just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he has nothing to add or that he's a waste of time. I don't agree with his posts either, but I'll still read them and I'm still willing to let him have his say.

I'm not interested either in his pro Obama, anti gun, and IMO socialist views of America and what it should be but I'm not quite ready to hit the Ignore Button just yet. This may turn out to be quite entertaining

I'm sure that Sphynx isn't the only one here with pro Obama views. He just speaks openly about it. To some, gun ownership is just a passing fancy, entertainment, sport for passing time in the burbs, but for others it's a philosophy and way of life.

Just find it interesting that a displaced Hoosier, living in the Netherlands finds it entertaining to post pro Obama and IMO anti gun views on an Indiana pro gun board. Things must be really slow in The Hague :rolleyesedit:

I had no idea I was waisting my time on someone who's effectively a foreigner!!!
Boy do I feel stupid!!!! :rolleyesedit:

 

[Glock Lover]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scutter01
I suggest that just because you disagree with him doesn't mean he has nothing to add or that he's a waste of time. I don't agree with his posts either, but I'll still read them and I'm still willing to let him have his say.

I'm not interested either in his pro Obama, anti gun, and IMO socialist views of America and what it should be but I'm not quite ready to hit the Ignore Button just yet. This may turn out to be quite entertaining

I'm sure that Sphynx isn't the only one here with pro Obama views (and that is their right). He just speaks openly about it. To some, gun ownership is just a passing fancy, entertainment, sport for passing time in the burbs, but for others it's a philosophy and way of life.

Just find it interesting that a displaced Hoosier, living in the Netherlands finds it entertaining to post pro Obama and IMO anti gun views on an Indiana pro gun board. Things must be really slow in The Hague :rolleyesedit:

I agree, go post on a Netherlands pro-gun board, or wait maybe thats a bad idea. How about a Netherlands pro-Obama board..there you go, better idea.

 

[Sphynx]

Don't worry on me Pami, I can handle myself. These people are why Churchill was so right when he said "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."

 

[GetA2J]

I believe in the 2nd Amendment as written, not as translated. The right for "the people", not "every person" to bear arms.

So this right "of the people" can be transliterated in your definition to the 1st ammendment of free speech "for the people, NOT "every person"???

I believe that that right is limited to the right to defend ones home (militia)

Sorry the only militia at my house is ME!

and if away from home, that right is curtailed.

I have a GOD given right to personal protection that is merely PROTECTED by the second ammendment. If I break laws then I forfiet that right!

I believe anyone that pulls a gun on a man to threaten him loses that right to bear arms.

I can't speak for anyone else but I don't plan on pulling my weapon out to threaten anyone... I plan on pulling my weapon out when I feel threatened.

You pull a gun out, don't hesitate; Shoot the bastard and hope the law agrees with you.

DUH!

Someone pulls a gun on me, there better be not even the slightest bit of hesitation to shoot because I will kill the man if he doesn't.

Alrighty then superman.
You don't believe in carrying a gun BUT IF some actually pulls one on you; you will kill him.
THAT is a bold statement.

 

[Justus]

These people are why Churchill was so right when he said "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."

Now you're just being arrogant.
The same quote could be applied to you

 

[Glock Lover]

Now you're just being arrogant.
The same quote could be applied to you

 

[TomN]

So this right "of the people" can be transliterated in your definition to the 1st ammendment of free speech "for the people, NOT "every person"??? Sorry the only militia at my house is ME! I have a GOD given right to personal protection that is merely PROTECTED by the second ammendment. If I break laws then I forfiet that right! I can't speak for anyone else but I don't plan on pulling my weapon out to threaten anyone... I plan on pulling my weapon out when I feel threatened.

That kind of throws the whole Bill of Rights out of the window then. 4th Amendment? Ah toss that one right out too as it applies to "the People" as a whole, not the individual person.

Read the Federalist Papers. It's the personal letters of the original authors of the Bill of Rights. They make it very obvious what the framers were thinking when they wrote it, including the individual's right to own and carry guns for protection of themselves against ALL enemies.

Oh and welcome to the forum.

 

[RonPaulSupporter]

Now you're just being arrogant.
The same quote could be applied to you

Agreed, it's seems arrogant to think that the average person isn't wise enough to elect people to represent them. Just reinforces my view that Obama and his crowd are a bunch of elitists that look down upon the rest of us. I believe the proper quotation from Churchill should be "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average Barack Obama voter."
In fact if you want to hear an argument against American democracy, fundamental Constitutional rights, and about every other value and principle that the Founding Fathers of this country fought for, just listen to the typical Obama speech.

 

[4sarge]

This thread really got me to thinking about "Our" American Freedoms and the power of the Internet. Here (Sphynx) you have an American Citizen who has lived abroad since 2001 (7 long years, 1/3 or 1/4 of his life) and still votes absentee in his home State of Indiana and to feel so strongly about Obama for President. Such civic pride and responsibility to take the time to follow the American political scene while living in carefree Europe. I do think that he is very mistaken on his interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and what the Constitution of the United States means to many of us.

Do a quick search on Obama and you will find (shocking to me) that the Europeans (Netherlands included) want (demand) Obama) to be Our President. The links even lead to many MySpace pages pushing for Obama to cure the American Evil. One World Government, wasn't that a Star Trek theme?

Sphynx, if Pami hadn't vouched for you I never would have believed that You were an American. I do not know or care why you chose to expatriate yourself from the US but my friend I think that you have forgotten what it means to be an American.

Pardon me, but I do believe that your espoused Obama views (to me) seem like no more than canned Obama Talking Points. I can guarantee that my resolve is stronger than yours and I will do all that I can to insure that the US will not have to endure an Obama Occupation. If that occurs, I will resist within all legal means to see that occupation ended as rapidly as possible.

I hope that one day that you find your way (or are able) to return to the US and once again live as a Free American.

You have indeed piqued my curiosity but unlike you, I do anger and so for that reason, I am choosing to ignore any more of your extreme views of the US and Barack Hussein Obama.

Have Fun in Europe, Spread some American Cheer and Please for Me, Tell them we are Not all Like You and some will still fight to protect this great nation.

Cheers, Good Tidings, and تفضلوا بقبول فائق الاحترام my misguided friend

 

[JetGirl]

I support Obama 120%

This is intriguing. Could you expound your stance regarding your support?
I'm specifically interested in certain points:

• The racist aspect and early long-held ties with Fericon vs. the swift move to denounce
• The swing between verbally endorsing yet voting in opposition of his own statements concerning topics like public financing, illegal immigration, decriminalizing marijuana, etc...
• The mid-stream switch with special interest funding (from reproving it to esteeming it)
• The position shift concerning the Cuba embargo
• The stance on Iraq (2004=pull soldiers all out vs. currently willing to send more)

Of these few things listed, which aspect are you supporting? The "before" or the "after"?
I'm not even broaching the gun related issues, because frankly I vehemently disagree with every position he takes and I think he's done more harm to his own state of Illinois than good.
I'm meaning to sound straightforward here, so if it comes across in a snotty manner in flat text, that wasn't the intent. I'm actually just very curious that anyone could support any person 120%. It seems a far fetching statement and I'm trying to understand your position a little more clearly.

These people are why Churchill was so right when he said "The best argument against Democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter."

The Constitution was written in part as a reaction *against* democracy because our founding fathers felt democracy was dangerous and unworkable. That's why at our inception, we weren't one. Say it with me now, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands..."

 

[GetA2J]

This is intriguing. Could you expound your stance regarding your support?
I'm specifically interested in certain points:

• The racist aspect and early long-held ties with Fericon vs. the swift move to denounce
• The swing between verbally endorsing yet voting in opposition of his own statements concerning topics like public financing, illegal immigration, decriminalizing marijuana, etc...
• The mid-stream switch with special interest funding (from reproving it to esteeming it)
• The position shift concerning the Cuba embargo
• The stance on Iraq (2004=pull soldiers all out vs. currently willing to send more)

Of these few things listed, which aspect are you supporting? The "before" or the "after"?
I'm not even broaching the gun related issues, because frankly I vehemently disagree with every position he takes and I think he's done more harm to his own state of Illinois than good.
I'm meaning to sound straightforward here, so if it comes across in a snotty manner in flat text, that wasn't the intent. I'm actually just very curious that anyone could support any person 120%. It seems a far fetching statement and I'm trying to understand your position a little more clearly.

The Constitution was written in part as a reaction *against* democracy because our founding fathers felt democracy was dangerous and unworkable. That's why at our inception, we weren't one. Say it with me now, "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands..."

WOW!!!

 

[Dogman]

opcorn2: Oh and if you decide to stay.

 

[Sphynx]

This is intriguing. Could you expound your stance regarding your support?

My first deciding to support him was awhile back when I saw him speak and thought how Charismatic he was. So I did some research and saw he graduated top of his class at Harvard. Went to his site, saw he had the 'latest-tech', and then ordered his book, and realized he was more intelligent than I. Smart and Charismatic. Good combination.

Then I got into Ron Paul, thought he would be a good backup plan since there wasn't a huge change that a black Osama bin Hussein Muslim was going to make it past the first few states in the Primaries. I had him at about 0% chance actually. I was happy not to resort to my backup plan.

At about the same time I did research on McCain, noticed he graduated bottom of his class in a school I'd never heard of, that what little I could find on his military record (the thing he promoted himself over) showed a (very) below par level. Lazy, Dumb, and disliked by the rest of the world.

Lastly I got to thinking... what is a President's real power. Veto (should have someone smart for that), and a sort of super-ambassador for America to the rest of the world (should be someone Charismatic).

So, as an Independent, I started with a decision to either vote Ron Paul or Barack Obama. Nobody else even remotely caught my eye as Presidential Material. Then I started doing research on my 2 favorites. I like Ron Paul a lot, but he lacked something that Obama had in spades, which I believed to be the most important quality of a candidate. Empathy. Obama never ever makes a decision based on his own opinion of the subject. I read interviews by people who had spoken to Obama, and ALWAYS, he asked as many questions as he could on a subject until he felt he was knowledgeable enough to make a decision. Kinda the exact opposite of Bush.

Once Obama beat Clinton (which he hasn't actually done yet), I started looking more into issues. I saw what Obama did for Illinois. I looked up all the Legislature he actually wrote, then what he voted for (ilga.gov is great source material) and did the same for McCain. Of course, I'm a lot more left than right, so I found most of my issues were better handled by Obama. But I also noticed his written Legislature showed a greater level of intellect than McCain's (at least by my reading of it).

I'm specifically interested in certain points:

• The racist aspect and early long-held ties with Fericon vs. the swift move to denounce

I don't ever judge a man by his companions. I judge a man on his own actions. Although I do think his wife has racial prejudice issues, I honestly do not think Obama is even remotely racially prejudice. I also understand his need to denounce during a campaign. That's just a part of politics.

• The swing between verbally endorsing yet voting in opposition of his own statements concerning topics like public financing, illegal immigration, decriminalizing marijuana, etc...

Intelligence is the ability to realize you were wrong to make a decision and reverse your decision. I wish to Whoever, that Bush would realize when he made a mistake. However, as long as 527's were not being Curtailed, as long as Obama did try to get them curtailed prior to not accepting Public Financing, he didn't "swing" on that at all.

I've run out of time to continue replying, so I'll just end with this.

The President is not a Dictator. His stance on issues, while important to a degree, are not huge. He can't just write and pass a law into effect. He works through congress, and even then, Congress writes the laws, he just gets to Veto if he doesn't like something, or sign it into law if he does. For that reason, I'd have voted even for McCain if I thought him somewhat Intelligent and Charismatic. Instead, living out here in the rest of the world, I see that the world HATES McCain. HATES. Not strongly dislikes, but absolutely HATES. They see him as a warmongering Bush repeat. Meanwhile the exact opposite opinion of Obama. Right now the world has a strong dislike for Americans, who they see as egotistical self-righteous people that think they can kick anyone's ass. Obama is the only candidate that could change that view, by the very fact that Americans voted him into the Presidential spot. Obama is the only choice possible for me. He's running a campaign, I expected long before he started, that he would switch on issues, JUST LIKE McCain has done. I support his changing views if it gets him into office.

And FYI: I'm not espoused from being American. A short-term job just ended up with me falling in love and marrying. My already working here, her career here, and my ability to do my work from anywhere at all anyways, meant that the right thing to do was to stay here. But I think it should be painfully obvious that I love and care about America greatly to go through all the trouble to fight for what I believe in with you guys. I don't hate you for being ProMcCain, and have made it a point to not be derogatory towards anyone for it (my Churchill comment was towards people that used slander as a form of argument against me instead of every asking me why I choose Obama, as Annie did. They were looking to be mean, and not to be understanding. Those are the types I feel Churchill was referring to. I don't hold it against anyone at all to vote for McCain. Everyone has their reasons, I just hope everyone who votes for him has a thought out reason, which I won't try to change).

 

[Justus]

I think most of us were challenging your advocacy for additional gun control,
not just your support of Obama.


Many here and elsewhere in this country have spent the last decade working very hard to make the public aware of the fact that more laws are not going to deter the criminal from using a firearm to commit a crime.
There have been some positive things that have happened in this country since you've been living abroad:
i.e. Heller, AWB sunset, several additional "shall issue" states, etc.

To quote a section of your post above:
"But I think it should be painfully obvious that I love and care about America greatly to go through all the trouble to fight for what I believe in with you guys."

It isn't "painfully obvious" to me that you are fighting with us.
This is based on my assessment of your posts and support of Obama's stance on firearms laws.

My view of Obama:
I am not thrilled with our choices for candidates either (again).
However, Obama's leftist stance on every issue that I hold as a priority
is the polar opposite of mine.
I will NOT be voting for him.
And as I said previously, I DO judge a man's character by the company he keeps.
Especially when the man's deeds are sketchy or unclear.

Finally,
I'm having a hard time digesting your concern for this country
when you have chosen to stay indefinitely in Europe.
I also am having a hard time with your statement concerning the
rest of the world's influence on my vote and your reasoning why we should be concerned about them.
According to you, I should vote for Obama because an angry group in France, Germany or anywhere thinks I should.
We've been hated before in Europe, that is nothing new.
(Kind of strange really, since we don't hate them)


No thanks

 

[Bill of Rights]

...living out here in the rest of the world, I see that the world HATES McCain. HATES. Not strongly dislikes, but absolutely HATES. They see him as a warmongering Bush repeat. Meanwhile the exact opposite opinion of Obama. Right now the world has a strong dislike for Americans, who they see as egotistical self-righteous people that think they can kick anyone's ass. Obama is the only candidate that could change that view...

Sphynx,

I've read the posts you've made that I've come across. I find you and I to be in disagreement on many issues. I don't like your positions, but I defend your right to offer them.

Sadly, I think you are correct about one point here. Americans think we can kick anyone's ass, and history has shown this to be true, when our troops, our "dogs of war" are let slip, to paraphrase the Bard in "Julius Caesar"

Obama could indeed change that view.

Ever read (or see) "A Clockwork Orange"?

Blessings,
B

 

[Sphynx]

Justus, you're right. I've not based my decision at ALL on what I believe his view on gun-control is. That's why I've made it a point to not oppose such views on this forum. I don't empathize with the rest of you, obviously, since I think there needs to be more Gun Control, not less.

I consider his ability to make decisions based on getting all the information from all sides of an issue to be the most important aspect of a candidate.

I also don't think his opinion on Gun Control would affect the chances of such laws passing, or not passing, into law. As stated... not a Dictatorship. But, given the manner in which he comes to his decision, and the manner in which McCain comes to his decisions, I would trust Obama to make the right choice long before I would trust McCain to make the right choice. I don't empathize with you, but of all the candidates, Obama is the one that would. He however, just may realize that your view is askewed through bias (I'm not saying it is, just that it may be), and not agree with your view.

And no, B, haven't read A Clockwork Orange.

 

[Justus]

nevermind......post removed.

I'm done

 

[Sphynx]

It stinks of arrogance and Obamite rhetoric.
It makes a subtle point to judge any view opposite of Obama's as
incorrect, unthoughtful or uneducated.

Only in how you read it, not in how it was written.

Meanwhile, from the other shoe, you come across as someone who finds any supporting comments towards Obama as an insinuation that you're an idiot for not agreeing with those comments.

I (unlike half the people on this thread) have not called or suggested anyone with an opposing view is more mentally challenged than I am. I gave my views, I gave my reasons. I did not counter any argument that would suggest I wanted to change anyone's opinion on who they should vote for, nor did I make any implications about their mental facilities.

Take your emotions out of my words if you want to read what I actually write.

 

[Justus]

No emotions, read it for yourself:

"He however, just may realize that your view is askewed through bias (I'm not saying it is, just that it may be), and not agree with your view."

It makes the assumption that any view opposing "His" is incorrectly biased.

 

[Bill of Rights]

And no, B, haven't read A Clockwork Orange.

It's not a perfect parallel, but a young and very violent thug is caught, then subjected to psychological conditioning against violence such that once he is released, any attempt to become violent makes him physically ill. He is then victimized by others instead. Ultimately, if I recall, his conditioning is removed again.

The parallel I see is that while the US is presently strong and able to defeat any enemy once the lily-white gloves are off, I am of the opinion that Obama would make decisions and choices that would bend America over the proverbial barrel for the rest of the world to bugger and beat, and it is for this reason that many other countries want him to be our President; you never want to give your enemy an advantage. To me, that the rest of the world wants him in office is the best reason of all why we should never let it happen.

Blessings,
B