Sniper Detectors Coming To America's Heartland

[jedi]

They already have these in Gary.

sure helps right

 

[scott delaney]

maybe its a tactical sales movment for one of our local surpessor makers!

 

[turnandshoot4]

sure helps right

Nope.

If you move you disappear.

 

[JoshuaW]

Keep throwing firecrackers & whatever approximation of M80s you can get all over the place. When they get sick of being overwhelmed by gunshots and start ignoring the thing, it becomes a waste.

Or they will fine you for breaking noise ordinances and/or setting off fireworks outside of the allowed time.

These have been in place for years though. I know there was an incident about a year or so where a man had several people trespassing on his property, they refused to leave, so he threatened them. They refused, he retrieved an AK from his house and began to shoot into the ground (Im their general direction). His lawyer later attempted to defend his actions saying that the trespassors had threatened him, and he knew the policy would respond quicker if gun fire appeared on the detection system. This was New York City, I believe.

Now I'm speculating, but I would assume these work by triangulating the shot, analyzing the sound pattern, determining an approximate distance, then determining a probable caliber or false positive based on the sound paternal, the supposed distance, and the intensity of the sound.

 

[CulpeperMM]

God it's so frightening how quick things are being put into place that will be used against law-abiding citizens.

you are typing into one.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

@$60,000 per square mile for the service, how does Flint, MI (arguably one of the brokest cities in the U.S.) afford this??

 

[Johnny C]

@$60,000 per square mile for the service, how does Flint, MI (arguably one of the brokest cities in the U.S.) afford this??

I am sure the feds are paying for it

 

[sidewinder27]

They already have these in some areas of downtown Indy. They have been used in in Iraq and Afghanistan for some time.

 

[Aszerigan]

ShotSpotter - Good Idea?

Sniper Detectors Coming To America's Heartland | Fox News

 

[BrentTheBoat]

Interesting technology, wish I would of thought of it. Since firing a gun in city limits is illegal in every major town, as far as i know. It seems logical to implement this system inside city limits. However, if officials start overreaching into outside city limits then there is an issue.

Guess this could help the sale of suppressors in these cities.

 

[WyldeShot]

I read about this last night. Quite interesting!! Maybe they need to test it out in Louisville, KY, someone is always getting shot in the West End of town.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Most of you guys did not even read the article

This system is said to be able to tell the difference between gunfire and fireworks or a backfire etc.

My concern is do we really want the government having microphones and cameras all over our cities? They do in Britain and it hasn't done a thing to help crime.

What about a self defense shooting? What if your story doesn't EXACTLY line up with what their microphones and cameras say happened? You think they are going to just take you word for it? Like when you really don't think you were speeding but "They got you on RADAR?" Government loves toys that they can make people believe are infallible. They will say that it makes owning a gun in a city not only useless but it will hinder the police from doing their jobs.

This is a HUGE problem for personal liberty and freedom. With microphones everywhere where then is your right to not self incriminate? At what point does their surveilance become an unlawful search? In the article it even points out that they can pin point which house it comes from. I'll even throw the 3rd Amendment at that one!

 

[justjoe]

Any of the lawyer types want to chime in as to if this has been accepted by any U.S. courts as a viable form of evidence. Look how long lie-detectors have been around and they are still not accepted by the courts. Claims by mfg. are one thing, evidence is another. That being said, looks like more of the same by big brother, keeping the sheep in line.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Any of the lawyer types want to chime in as to if this has been accepted by any U.S. courts as a viable form of evidence. Look how long lie-detectors have been around and they are still not accepted by the courts. Claims by mfg. are one thing, evidence is another. That being said, looks like more of the same by big brother, keeping the sheep in line.

IANAL

But on the same subject Kirk Freeman has posted before about how he dislikes the reputation police dogs have. They are considered "fool proof" and 100% accurate in public opinion. I have no evidence about their use in court but perhaps someone with more time could find one. The problem with that is it takes a handler to "listen" to the dog and interpret what they are hitting on since a dog is a living, trained animal they are all a little bit different. And people understand and can accept that for the most part.

But what about electronic devices? In pop culture for decades it has been drilled into anyone head that watches and TV or movies that machines are superior to us in nearly every way. God help you if you watch Sci Fi stuff like Star Trek. I have been rewatching The Next Generation on Netflix since I grew up with that as my favorite prime time show and wow is it a shocker the messages it sends sometimes. A pure socialistic, one multiworld government? Superior machines and computers which must be relied on but continually become used against you? Totalitarian control of weapons, information, food, medicine etc. I know it is "just entertainment" but look at it from two sides:

1. The people who wrote and produced it.

Well they had to get their ideas from somewhere right? The 24th century is supposed to be a utopian version of what we idealize about ourselves. Diplomacy over law. Work for the greater good over personal gain. Anything and everything must be talked about and violence is always a last resort. On the surface these do not seem harmful but add them together and remove the written in "good government" that is always in control yet seemingly no elections and you end up with what the Soviet Union became with so few in power and no one able to unsurp them.

2. The people who grew up and embraced it.

Who knows what part they took from it? There are plenty of documentaries out there about how the fake technology in Star Trek turned into real tech by smart kids who wanted to emulate their TV heroes. Cell phones anyone? Direct result of the communcators from the Original Series.

Ok enough rambling about Star Trek... The point is no technology will solve a thing by itself! Stop relying on a new advance to keep us safe and start taking responsibililty for yourself and those around you!



ETA: Got stopped in the middle and forgot my point...

People believe that electronic devices are truth. They don't believe they can lie and when you have some expert come in and say that they are right 100% of the time and were working properly what defense do you have?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

One more thing...


Why does our goverment continually take technology bred on a BATTLEFIELD and use it on our streets?



*Cue lrahm wanting his tank and Converse Jack Boots...

 

[ftwphilly]

@$60,000 per square mile for the service, how does Flint, MI (arguably one of the brokest cities in the U.S.) afford this??

I remember seeing this recently on TV. I had thought it was more expensive than that. IIRC I heard it was more like $200,000 per square mile. I could be wrong though. Like Jediagh mentioned, this could easily be wrongful use of power if turned in another direction. Imagine people scribbling their conversations on a notepad all while keeping it obscured from view from satellites above. Gonna' be like watching the head coaches on the NFL when they cover their faces as they call plays.

 

[flatlander]

Hate to but I agree with you......again

Bob

 

[MTC]

My concern is do we really want the government having microphones and cameras all over our cities? They do in Britain ...

This is a HUGE problem for personal liberty and freedom. With microphones everywhere where then is your right to not self incriminate? At what point does their surveilance become an unlawful search? In the article it even points out that they can pin point which house it comes from. I'll even throw the 3rd Amendment at that one!

From a separate thread two years ago regarding how some in government treat the amendments in the Bill of Rights:

At this point, the only one they seem to be neutral on is the 3A, re: quartering of soldiers without the property owner's consent. At this point. Give 'em a bit... I'm sure they'll go after that one, too.

To which I replied:

They won't have to. The further violation and destruction of the often overlooked part of the 4th Amendment through electronic and technological means, not yet fully realized and implemented, will serve the purposes of surveillance and control adequately enough to make the physical quartering of soldiers unnecessary.

Substitute 'aspect' for 'part' above. Often times when discussing issues affecting privacy - or what it means to be secure in one's person, house, papers, and effects - concerns or objections (if not worded calmly and carefully) are usually met with accusations of tinfoil or paranoia, as well as the citing of case law that holds "you have no expectation of privacy" in this or that setting, or what constitutes "reasonable". Certain products are manufactured and made available to governmental agencies or sometimes private individuals, not necessarily as part of any nefarious plot to violate rights or enslave the people (although they could be used in ways to further that end), rather as simply the latest developments in technology, done through motives of profit and scientific advancement. Where there is a perceived "need" for the product, e.g. "fighting crime", sales will be easier, especially to entities with a seemingly unlimited budget.

There will likely always be those, both public and private, on a large scale or on an individual basis, who are eager to use any means to violate the rights of others - their persons, houses, papers, and effects, their property, privacy, their personal possessions, money or bank accounts, or identity.

When done on an individual level, such a person might be regarded as some sort of pervert engaged in a type of malicious mischief or harassment and, where evidence could be shown and charges brought, a thief.

When implemented by a governmental unit or agency on any pretext such as, but not limited to, "public safety" or "ensuring ___ the tools to do their job" it is accepted, brushed aside, or the concerns are ridiculed, since few have a desire to be seen as opposed to such ideas in general, if not specifically.

There is also the additional factor that, as technological advancement and "progress" outpaces ethical considerations, it becomes more difficult to stop it, even if one were to gain more widespread support for doing so.

 

[StreetStrip01]

They already have these in Gary.

I am suprised they haven't burst into a ball of flames yet.

 

[96harley]

At some point they will try to convince the sheep this is all for their own security.