First for finity. If you agree that felons should be punished, the removal of their right to have guns is one of the punishments. Are you merely saying that we need to restructure sentencing laws? It is a punishment the same as incarceration only for a longer period of time.
For NYFelon. I know of at least 2 varying accounts of the event which you have told.
1. You got up in Court and swore under oath that you knowingly battered a police officer.
2. You said here that some guy battered you and you defended yourself and did not know until afterward that it was a police officer.
Those are not the same story. they vary.
There is another option...All right, so what option do you see that he had, according to the information he's provided us about his case?
As I see it, he could either:
- Plead "Not Guilty" in a courtroom of a county with a 97% conviction rate with a possibility of up to 25 years in jail.
- Plead "Guilty" with a guarantee of one year and a felony conviction.
Neither does the Constitution prohibit the deprivation of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to men who aren't blonde. Nor does it prohibit these things to men who are not six feet tall or taller."
I defy you to come up with even one instance where any of the founders found legitimate the denial of arms to any free man.
While I don't particularly agree with it in the case of non-violent felonies...except felony drug convictions... I look at it as merely an extension of the sentencing.
You seem to be having trouble understanding. The constitution does prohibit the deprivation of life liberty and happiness to blind people. But the constitution does not prohibit punishment of criminals.
The deprivation of your rights is the result of your admission to a felony. You contracted for that punishment.
There is another option...
Then of course there's always that wacky option of..
- Don't commit violent crimes.
- Move out of a county that takes being tough on crime seriously.
- Personal responsibility.
W We exchange some words, the guy takes a swing at me. He's drunk, the punch is slow, I side step it, and hit him a couple of times. His nose popped almost immediately. He's still standing up, so I hit him a few more times, and he goes to the floor.
...i have let someone hold my gun many times to fight a fair fight.
if someone tries to hurt you,you should disable that person until your hands ,teeth or whatever are sore.i dont try to hurt anyone,but i will fight until i cant any longer.even when i am scared,i am not running.i have let someone hold my gun many times to fight a fair fight.i love to fisticuff,even if i lose.stress reducer.like shooting a monster buck.i am too old for this,because i lose even when i win.
if someone tries to hurt you,you should disable that person until your hands ,teeth or whatever are sore.i dont try to hurt anyone,but i will fight until i cant any longer.even when i am scared,i am not running.i have let someone hold my gun many times to fight a fair fight.i love to fisticuff,even if i lose.stress reducer.like shooting a monster buck.i am too old for this,because i lose even when i win.
Correct in that the Constitution does not prohibit punishment of criminals, but it does prohibit Bills of Attainder. Which is what banning all felons from keeping and bearing arms is.
His punishment was a year in lockup, after which he was freed. He is a free man, and as such should have all rights and privileges accorded to a free man. Including the right to keep an bear arms.
In this case, they are not.
OK, balorg, finity and the rest of you who think punishment ends and all rights should be restored when you are released from prison, do you also believe that child molesters should be able to live next to preschools without registering? I mean, if they are released from prison, your position seems to be that they have paid their debt to society so they should be treated like everyone else.