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[BugI02]

They require ID for adult range shooters. Does Tim’s in Westfield allow range use without ID?

AGE & ID RESTRICTIONS​

1. Must be 18 or older to use the range unaccompanied

He was accompanied by an adult (his uncle)

1. Minors (below 18 years old) must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian and be at least 48” tall

How would SPB wish this pair to establish whether his uncle was a legal guardian? What legal documentation should they be required to present? Would you expect normal people to carry that documentation around?

1. All shooters above 18 must possess a valid state-issued ID or US passport

A US passport? Does that mean that SPB only allows US citizens to shoot if they are over 18? What if the accompanied individual is a citizen of another country here on a visitor's visa? Should he have to present that as well as some sort of home country gov't or state ID? Is it really any of SPB's business, as in there is some valid reason for such requirements - especially in light of #1 where the only requirement seems to be accompaniment by a responsible adult

1. Must be 21 or older to possess or rent a handgun

Not applicable to the situation

1. Must be 18 or older to possess or rent a long-gun

Not applicable to the situation

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Sorry Mike, but it appears to me that the folks at that SPB didn't like something they assumed about Deimos based on outward appearances, and likely discriminatory in nature. It would appear that he was obviously (to those employees) foreign born and that somehow triggered resort to internally inconsistent regulations as an excuse to make it difficult or impossible for him to share a lane and shoot

Surely it is their house, their rules but the inconsistent, situational, selective enforcement of rules is the essence of discrimination

BTW, welcome to INGO Deimos. Do you have a brother named Phobos?

 

[Ingomike]

He was accompanied by an adult (his uncle)

How would SPB wish this pair to establish whether his uncle was a legal guardian? What legal documentation should they be required to present? Would you expect normal people to carry that documentation around?

A US passport? Does that mean that SPB only allows US citizens to shoot if they are over 18? What if the accompanied individual is a citizen of another country here on a visitor's visa? Should he have to present that as well as some sort of home country gov't or state ID? Is it really any of SPB's business, as in there is some valid reason for such requirements - especially in light of #1 where the only requirement seems to be accompaniment by a responsible adult

Not applicable to the situation

Not applicable to the situation


Sorry Mike, but it appears to me that the folks at that SPB didn't like something they assumed about Deimos based on outward appearances, and likely discriminatory in nature. It would appear that he was obviously (to those employees) foreign born and that somehow triggered resort to internally inconsistent regulations as an excuse to make it difficult or impossible for him to share a lane and shoot

Surely it is their house, their rules but the inconsistent, situational, selective enforcement of rules is the essence of discrimination

BTW, welcome to INGO Deimos. Do you have a brother named Phobos?

You are incorrectly applying the rules for minors to adults. He was an adult trying to shoot at the range. Let’s see where his passport is from. If it is UK, it sounds like they were trying to get him in within their company rules.

 

[pmbiker]

You are incorrectly applying the rules for minors to adults. He was an adult trying to shoot at the range. Let’s see where his passport is from. If it is UK, it sounds like they were trying to get him in within their company rules.

I hope they pay well for all the water you carry for the place.

 

[Ingomike]

I hope they pay well for all the water you carry for the place.

Got anything to add or just personal attacks from behind your computer screen?

 

[Deimos]

A US passport or UK? If UK, it clearly states that “All shooters above 18 must possess a valid state-issued ID or US passport” in their range rules.

I have read that many ranges, particularly in areas where there is international tourism, require US ID because of problems caused by tourists because their countries have near total gun bans and shoot guns becomes a tourist attraction in this country.

Sorry you got caught up in this.

UK Passport sadly. I'd only been here a short while so I didn't have an Indiana drivers license, etc at that time.

We went to the Atterbury range instead, which was likely a better first-time range experience for a new shooter anyway since it was outdoor with benches and the people were decent.

 

[Deimos]

BTW, welcome to INGO Deimos. Do you have a brother named Phobos?

Thanks man! I don't sadly haha. Always good to see someone else that knows a bit about Greek / Roman mythology!

 

[pmbiker]

Got anything to add or just personal attacks from behind your computer screen?

That wasn't an attack.

 

[Ingomike]

That wasn't an attack.

Making personal allegations that I get paid “well for all the water you carry for the place“ is not an attack?

Isn’t it interesting that my recent “water carrying“ questions drew out that the employees were following the posted company policies?

We are all just fallible humans here.

 

[BugI02]

You are incorrectly applying the rules for minors to adults. He was an adult trying to shoot at the range. Let’s see where his passport is from. If it is UK, it sounds like they were trying to get him in within their company rules.

If he didn't have what they consider acceptable ID, how do they know how old he was?

 

[Ingomike]

If he didn't have what they consider acceptable ID, how do they know how old he was?

Is that how you got beer in high school? LOL

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

Got anything to add or just personal attacks from behind your computer screen?

 

[churchmouse]

I hope they pay well for all the water you carry for the place.

and your point here is exactly what sir.
I see an adult discussion in progress nothing more.
What is your issue with this.
Fair question.

 

[churchmouse]

That wasn't an attack.

Uh it kind of was OK.

 

[BugI02]

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[BugI02]

Is that how you got beer in high school? LOL

My best friends Dad owned a bar and grill

 

[Ingomike]

My best friends Dad owned a bar and grill

That Was Easy…


Think Office Depot commercial

 

[pmbiker]

Uh it kind of was OK.

I would disagree.

It was a rather immature way to jokingly jab at him. I don't know who he is nor do I have any prior dealings with him. I've been following this thread, gained some knowledge from it and even contributed a comment or two.

The member I so viciously attacked has vehemently defended any and all negative comments and/or bad experiences shared by a few other members, to the degree of being highly biased in favor of the company in question.

I was going to make a comment about free range time or some other untoward compensation for the obviously biased troll work, but I thought my "carrying water" comment was fairly innocuous. I guess thin skinedness afflicts even our side sometimes.

I apologize for the attack.

 

[churchmouse]

I would disagree.

It was a rather immature way to jokingly jab at him. I don't know who he is nor do I have any prior dealings with him. I've been following this thread, gained some knowledge from it and even contributed a comment or two.

The member I so viciously attacked has vehemently defended any and all negative comments and/or bad experiences shared by a few other members, to the degree of being highly biased in favor of the company in question.

I was going to make a comment about free range time or some other untoward compensation for the obviously biased troll work, but I thought my "carrying water" comment was fairly innocuous. I guess thin skinedness afflicts even our side sometimes.

I apologize for the attack.

I get it and thanks for this response. If I had some star stickers you would get a couple for sure.

 

[jbombelli]

I occasionally stop by SPB as I happen to be driving by. I usually end up buying ammo. They leave me alone until I'm ready to leave and are polite when I get to the register. The prices aren't the best, but that's the cost of convenience.

I don't shoot there.

 

[Ingomike]

I would disagree.

It was a rather immature way to jokingly jab at him. I don't know who he is nor do I have any prior dealings with him. I've been following this thread, gained some knowledge from it and even contributed a comment or two.

The member I so viciously attacked has vehemently defended any and all negative comments and/or bad experiences shared by a few other members, to the degree of being highly biased in favor of the company in question.

I was going to make a comment about free range time or some other untoward compensation for the obviously biased troll work, but I thought my "carrying water" comment was fairly innocuous. I guess thin skinedness afflicts even our side sometimes.

I apologize for the attack.

All good with me. I have topics I am passionate about and I love to debate. (Sorry CM).

I believe we all are here due to our passion for the sport, protection or freedoms. Compared to many other interests we have a limited number of LGS and ranges near us so I am passionate about defending them if I don’t believe the posts are fair.

I would hope this has raised awareness of the potential consequences of unwarranted negative reviews and that they don't stay in our little circle but are disseminated all over by the search engines…