School officials go door-to-door to bully 'negligent' parents into vaccinating

[revsaxon]

I'm talking about 2011. With so many kids "diagnosed" with autism or autism spectrum, surely you could find one.

So wait. Your saying that the ones before vaccines came out dont count? And that once these terrible evil vaccines came out the natural gene causes of autism disappeared completely?

As to finding one, im sure I could if I started going case by case. The problem with trying to find one without resorting to that is the parents who don't blame their kids autism on vaccines (which they may or may not have gotten) arn't out in the media calming "My kid is messed up and its totally my fault and not a mega-conglomerate." You never hear "Childhood autism caused by by genes" on the news so...

Its funny that the study linking autism and vaccines has been disproven for 15 years, AND retracted by the people who put it out, and people still think there is a link. Despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary. When your spokesperson is Jenny McCarthy, and the opposing side is hundreds and hundreds of doctors and scientists... well, I know which side im going with.

 

[revsaxon]

Hah, neg repped for someone thinking I insulted his kids and suggested they were like dogs. I was actually pointing out that you can't let a dog overnight in a kennel without a bordatella vaccine but our kids can fraternize at school without them (kennel cough and whooping cough)

Neg rep: and 2011 was going so well...

Me too! I was told to Africa with Hillary. How its related im not exacally sure, but suddenly I apparently a socialist!

 

[ocsdor]

... Its funny that the study linking autism and vaccines has been disproven for 15 years by the pharmaceutical companies, AND retracted by the people who put it out as a condition of their payout or having their lives threatened, and people still think there is a link. Despite the mountain of evidence created by the pharmaceutical companies to the contrary.

When your spokesperson is Jenny McCarthy, an intelligent, successful woman that made lots of money off suckers believing she's dumb, and the opposing side is hundreds and hundreds of doctors and scientists paid hundreds of thousands of dollars each by the pharmaceutical companies to promote their product... well, I know which koolaid I drank too much of.

FIFY

 

[ocsdor]

Yeah, the ever increasing push of vaccines unto kids has nothing to do with it.

 

[revsaxon]

Yeah, the ever increasing push of vaccines unto kids has nothing to do with it.

Your right. Because its totally impossible that diagnosis techniques have gotten better, other causes from modern life have increased, or parents are bullying doctors into diagnosis like with ADD.

Its much more likely its them vaccines

 

[ocsdor]

Your right. Because its totally impossible that diagnosis techniques have gotten better, other causes from modern life have increased, or parents are bullying doctors into diagnosis like with ADD.

Its much more likely its them vaccines

No, you're right. A perfectly healthy baby goes in to the doctor, gets a vaccine, and has major medical problems three hours later.

It must be all that modern life. I'm sure that is why a US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) was set up for. Yep, modern life.

 

[revsaxon]

No, you're right. A perfectly healthy baby goes in to the doctor, gets a vaccine, and has major medical problems three hours later.

It must be all that modern life. I'm sure that is why a US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) was set up for. Yep, modern life.

You suggest I am drinking the big pharmacy koolaid for thinking they don't cause anything, I suggest you might be drinking the big media koolaid that they do.

The VICP was set up to prevent large jury awards due to a scare. And even they don't just give out money.

On March 13, 2010, the court ruled in three test cases that thiomersal-containing vaccines do not cause autism. The test cases were among the strongest for this theory. Special Master Hastings concluded, "The overall weight of the evidence is overwhelmingly contrary to the petitioners' causation theories."

And thats a mere 13 months after they ruled against another group of vaccine cases.

As to a healthy baby going in and hours later getting sick... you had seen babies before right? They have a propensity to put everything in reaching grasp into their mouths. Such as the things found in doctors waiting rooms, where vaccine shots are given. But that counldnt possible be the case now could it?

 

[hooky]

As to a healthy baby going in and hours later getting sick... you had seen babies before right? They have a propensity to put everything in reaching grasp into their mouths. Such as the things found in doctors waiting rooms, where vaccine shots are given. But that counldnt possible be the case now could it?

Yeah, that's what happens. Kids find things in doctor's offices, put them in their mouth, then they begin to regress.

 

[Mosinowner]

Non-vaccinating & homeschooling parents are being hunted down by teams of government school officials so they can be bullied into taking their medicine. Both the school and the TV news coverage failed to mention that California has an exemption to this intrusive state meddling. It is no wonder that so many parents are unfortunately misled into being coerced by lies on TV and pushy school officials and doctors.

Hopefully more parents have the spine to tell these goons off the way the woman in the video did. This crap really pisses me off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrYp9AcYWMg

Come to the door with a gun and say you where expecting the local gunsmith. Thats what my dad would do I bet.

 

[rambone]

As to a healthy baby going in and hours later getting sick... you had seen babies before right? They have a propensity to put everything in reaching grasp into their mouths. Such as the things found in doctors waiting rooms, where vaccine shots are given. But that counldnt possible be the case now could it?

Putting something in their mouth is quite a bit different than injecting chemicals directly into their organs and brain.

 

[88GT]

Yeah, the ever increasing push of vaccines unto kids has nothing to do with it.

If you want to be scientifically credible, you need to plot the numbers of diagnose per capita against the number of administered vaxes per capita. I think you'll find that while the former *might* be increasing, the latter hasn't. Which indicates that vaxes have, at best, a contributory role, though not necessarily a causal one.

The other problem with autism is that it is not a disease but a disorder characterized by multiple symptom sets. There are several hypotheses that for one subset of the diagnoses; in fact, many believe that for a large portion of the diagnoses there is a gastro-intestinal component. Food intake control has seen the reversal of symptoms in many children for whom this particular manifestation of the disorder has hit. I read a very good book by a mom who was determined to help her son (this was just at the time that autism was becoming a household word) in the absence of any help from the doctors. Through her own research she was able to determine that her son's gastro-intestinal issues were compounded by repeated exposure to the MMR vax she had while pregnant, that HIS MMR vax triggered a severe response in the way the body handled food. The details are sketchy now but there was also Nystatin dosing. Nystatin is an anti-fungal. In short, the pathway for autistic symptoms is not simply vax = autism. The numbers simply don't support that kind of relationship. What is clear is that there are subsets of the population with compromised immune systems and/or other body systems that need only the trigger of one of the components of the vaccines to launch the cascade of events that eventually manifests itself as the neurological disorder(s) we lump together as autism.

There isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that vaxing in general is related to any increase--real or perceived*--in autism diagnoses.

*It has also seen an increase in diagnoses due to an expansion of the defining spectrum and/or the ability to classify what was previously generically labeled developmentally disabled as a definitive diagnosis (sort of). Kinda like nobody ever dies of "natural causes" anymore because our knowledge is great enough to pinpoint the exact cause of failure in most cases. Autism diagnoses are on the rise because previously generic diagnoses can now be moved to a more specific category.

 

[rambone]

If you want to be scientifically credible, you need to plot the numbers of diagnose per capita against the number of administered vaxes per capita. I think you'll find that while the former *might* be increasing, the latter hasn't.

Am I misunderstanding you here 88GT? I was sure you would be aware of the exploding number of vaccines being foisted on children. The CDC vaccine schedule is expanding so quickly that this data is surely out of date by now.


Note
Vaccines administered by 12 months old:
1983: 5
2007: 26

 

[beararms1776]

WOW! The title of that video sounds like "stalking".

 

[88GT]

Am I misunderstanding you here 88GT? I was sure you would be aware of the exploding number of vaccines being foisted on children. The CDC vaccine schedule is expanding so quickly that this data is surely out of date by now.


Note
Vaccines administered by 12 months old:
1983: 5
2007: 26

Yes. Technically speaking, you still haven't shown any relationship either.

I had some additional thoughts last night but was too lazy to log back in.

First, the original picture with the upward movement of autism diagnoses attempt to show an ever-increasing diagnosis rate, but it disingenuously attempts to hide the diagnosis rate over a 25 year period. What happened in that 25-year span? My guess is nothing.

What your pictorial evidence may show is that there was a) either a change in the components of the vaccines themselves that contributed to an increase or b) that one of the new vax is related to it.

None of the evidence provided has any scientific legitimacy thought because it doesn't address those issues.

And you specifically and repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that the vaxes have two components, of which the most likely culprit has nothing to do with the science of vaxing at all, but the commercializing of the vaxes. I feel like I kick a dead horse around here having to repeat that detail. But it doesn't help make your case and it's so much easier to grandstand on the scare tactics.

 

[ocsdor]

You suggest I am drinking the big pharmacy koolaid for thinking they don't cause anything, I suggest you might be drinking the big media koolaid that they do.

Big media promotes the pharmaceuticals; not attacks them. Pharmaceuticals is where TV gets a huge portion of their paychecks from.

 

[ocsdor]

Yes. Technically speaking, you still haven't shown any relationship either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Rdf0n_Lsg

 

[CarmelHP]

Not many, since most of us have access to indoor plumbing, anti-bacterial soap, clean standards of living, & knowledge of how viruses commute.

Wrong, the answer is none, it was eradicated by vaccination. Oh, and those things you mentioned don't address the normal vectors of smallpox.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Pfffft, everyone knows that smallpox was defeated with vegetable smoothies, crystals and yoga.

 

[jeremy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Rdf0n_Lsg

Huh...

So which one on the Couch do you think of yourself as?!