School officials go door-to-door to bully 'negligent' parents into vaccinating

[Lex Concord]

So, is the right at play in the ground of your mind the right not to be sick, or the right not to be around unvaccinated people (even if you are one who wishes to be unvaccinated and we enforce your right at the point of a gun?).

I'll give you credit for realizing that rights may exist outside their mention in the US Constitution, although negative points for thinking the above could be among them. I guess I'll take what I can get.

Oh...wait...it's not rights...it's majority rule...never mind.

Winston out.

 

[revsaxon]

Show me an autistic child that has never been vaccinated.

Really? Your actually making the clame that the sole cause of autism is vaccines? You know the first well documented case was in 1747 right? And that there are many suspected cases thru all of history... Vaccines didn't come around til ~1796, and then it was on a very limited basis.

Id say that pretty much puts a hole in your argument...

 

[revsaxon]

AIDS Vaccine Coming Soon — Experimental Vaccine Led to Censored Deaths

http://www.infowars.com/aids-vaccine-coming-soon-experimental-vaccine-led-to-censored-deaths/The article says the vaccine actually led to an increased risk of contracting HIV.

Yeah, cuz that seems like a fair an impartial source...

 

[HeadlessRoland]

"Two in the chest one in the head just to make sure they're really Dead." the entire nation of Mozambique approves of this message.

 

[Lex Concord]

Yeah, cuz that seems like a fair an impartial source...

Yes...much like the CDC

 

[Darral27]

I chose to allow my children to get their vaccines. It should be a parental choice though. Many people have fears of what it may do to their children and no matter what side you are on I think we can all agree that there is a reason for those fears. As for the flu shots they do every year I choose for my family to not get those. The one year I got one I got sick alot worse than any year I could remember before. I did have a issue with one dr. trying to force me to allow my son to get the H1N1 vaccine and I refused. Not sure if there was any truth but I had been reading on different forums at the time that it was untested and unproven due to coming on the market so fast.

 

[Prometheus]

Good. Its about time someone forced people to vaccinate their kids. Now if only we could get a program like that going here.

You want a village to raise someones children? Hop a slow boat to Africa with Hillary Clinton and stay the

away from my children!

I am so sick and tired of being surrounded by fracking socialists!!!!

 

[hoosierdoc]

Hah, neg repped for someone thinking I insulted his kids and suggested they were like dogs. I was actually pointing out that you can't let a dog overnight in a kennel without a bordatella vaccine but our kids can fraternize at school without them (kennel cough and whooping cough)

Neg rep: and 2011 was going so well...

 

[Double T]

Show me an autistic child that has never been vaccinated.

Lol. There is no substantial evidence that links any cases of autism to vaccinations.

It would be equally irresponsible to link something like antibiotics to the presence of bipolar disorder.

Per the immunization waiver, it states that "by signing you acknowledge some believe that the vaccine may cause an allergic reaction that leads to autism."

The waiver says some people believe...not that it is fact. Autism appears d


Thank you to whomever cited autistic cases before the use of vaccines...that's a pretty significant flaw in the general populations belief of autism etiology.

If someone who fails to vaccinate their child gets sick, chances are that it will be able to allow viral mutations that make the vaccinated susceptible...I for one would not be the one to have a child with the first documented case of a mutated strain...if anyone dies I don't feel like sitting in civil court for being responsible for Antibes death because I didn't vaccinate my child.

Do you not think you would be held accountable if this were to happen? If not criminally, then definitely civil court. I for one, could not live with myself.

 

[jsharmon7]

Hah, neg repped for someone thinking I insulted his kids and suggested they were like dogs. I was actually pointing out that you can't let a dog overnight in a kennel without a bordatella vaccine but our kids can fraternize at school without them (kennel cough and whooping cough)

Neg rep: and 2011 was going so well...

Don't let it get you down.

Amazing how angry some people seem to get at the internet.

 

[Benny]

That's because it's serious bidness.

 

[Lex Concord]

Welcome to the internet, where the points don't matter and nobody really cares...

 

[hooky]

Do you not think you would be held accountable if this were to happen? If not criminally, then definitely civil court. I for one, could not live with myself.

I'll take my chances.

And for the record it wasn't me that neg repped the doc.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I cannot and will not worry about other people based on the way i live my life so long as I do nothing to infringe on their rights. Me getting or not getting a vaccination is not an infringement on someone else's rights.

 

[hondatech2k2]

If you want to play fast and loose with your health thats fine by me, but thank God someone is stepping in to make sure you can't with your kids.

Yes...please "step in" and TRY to give my child something I did not approve. And, as a result...I will "step in" and split your dome with my tomahawk even though you did not approve...see the irony? My wife and I alone have a say in what our child receives....no one else. It is a personal choice for a parent to do either scenario -to give, or not to give. This is the problem with society these days... to many people trying to control what others do (we have enough politicians thank you). Mind your own business and the world would be a much happier place. If someone decides to forgo a vaccine for personal reasons, that is their right. And as a parental guardian you have the right to refuse for your child (or children) as well. When they become legal adults they can make their own choice on the matter. And "hypothetically" speaking....if some outbreak was to occur then we will deal with our choices if sickness falls upon us. Respect each others decisions, and let it be. After all, if you are so content with your "vaccine"...if the SHTF and the boogey woogey bad boy disease rolls around... aren't you safe?

 

[ocsdor]

Yeah, cuz that seems like a fair an impartial source...

Much like the billion dollar phamaceutical industry.

 

[ocsdor]

Really? Your actually making the clame that the sole cause of autism is vaccines? You know the first well documented case was in 1747 right? And that there are many suspected cases thru all of history... Vaccines didn't come around til ~1796, and then it was on a very limited basis.

Id say that pretty much puts a hole in your argument...

I'm talking about 2011. With so many kids "diagnosed" with autism or autism spectrum, surely you could find one.

 

[Lex Concord]

Oh no, people with crappy .org web sites have far more to gain by lying about vaccines than the Mercks of the world.

 

[RockofStrength]

Vaccines are a good thing. Anyone who has made a study of pandemics will tell you the same thing. If you want to play fast and loose with your health thats fine by me, but thank God someone is stepping in to make sure you can't with your kids.

You do realize that by that logic I could do anything to anyone's children, so long as it was "in their best interest"? There are many who openly oppose the idea of homeschooling because "who knows what stupid religious garbage some parents might teach their kids! We need to make sure that each kid is a productive member of society, so we need to mandate school participation" and so on and so forth. There are those who would take a child away from their parents because the parents spank their child, or enact any form of discipline more serious than "talking things over".

When society steps in and tells me that I must do so and so "for the greater good" I like to point to eugenics, to the religious and ethnic cleansings of bygone eras. Some folks in Russia and China thought Communism would be a great idea for their society, and it ended up killing them by the millions. In all these cases the masses decreed what was best for their society, and terror and death followed in their wake. Man always chooses what is best for himself as an individual in the end unless another force acts to counteract his inherent nature: we should not attempt to bound so natural a desire by mere "societal standards".

That is why we have a government based on freedom. It punishes people for violating rights, not social norms or the desires of the masses. Otherwise, it lets people live or die on their own merits, with the wisdom and experience and resources and opportunities that they are afforded. That is why I hold strongly to the idea that you, and everyone else in the great mass of American people, should decide what is best for themselves and their families, and leave mine ALONE. If someone feels so strongly that I should be vaccinated (which I am, funnily enough ), or that my kids should be, then let them put forth the effort to argue with me instead of slamming the government hammer into place to enforce their obviously superior opinion.

Yes, I know we have long since abandoned that principle. We currently have laws, state and federal, that force me to get licenses and file extra paperwork so that I can access rights specifically named as protected in the Constitution because someone felt that it was in the interest of "public safety". That is no reason for me to kowtow to the group of busybodies who replaced the principles upon which this nation was founded.

I apologize for the lengthiness of the rant, but I fail to see the point of calling this a "Free" nation and of having some pride in that fact when the public good trumps the freedom of families and individuals. It riles me somewhat

 

[ocsdor]

Vaccines are so safe that we have a US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act

http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html

And people keep receiving payouts from vaccine injuries:

Nature News Blog: US vaccine payout provokes confusion

Mother wins MMR payout after 18 years - Telegraph

Autism payout reignites vaccine controversy - health - 08 March 2008 - New Scientist