School now open in Circle Center Mall

[bocefus78]

Soooooo......no more CC in there, right? Thanks simon. New high school opens inside Circle Centre Mall | WISH-TV

 

[phylodog]

If you can't beat em, join em I guess.

Simon never wanted you carrying a gun in their malls anyway.

 

[eldirector]

Now that it is legally a GFZ, it will be the safest mall around!

I bet gang and general hoodlum/thug violence will cease overnight. IMPD will be bored.

I wonder how many unintentional felons are walking around there right now?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Simon Malls to Legal Gun Owners: "Want to know how much we hate you? Thiiiiiiiiiis much."

 

[K_W]

Beat me to it, but yeah, Circle Center is no go as law is written.

 

[LastShot123]

Does this make the entire mall building considered a school zone now? Seems like it would only be the areas dedicated to the school.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Does this make the entire mall building considered a school zone now? Seems like it would only be the areas dedicated to the school.

I, too, would like to know how far this school zone extends. Any unintended consequences from this?

 

[chipbennett]

I still don't think the statute, as written, is that broad, unless the school is renting every space in the mall. But, I doubt anyone will challenge it.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I, too, would like to know how far this school zone extends. Any unintended consequences from this?

Yeah, anybody selling liquor or "adult" items on "school property" now?

 

[SteveM4A1]

I still don't think the statute, as written, is that broad, unless the school is renting every space in the mall. But, I doubt anyone will challenge it.

I agree

 

[T.Lex]

Here's some interesting info.

Without doing a full fledged Public Access Request for the lease, if any, it almost looks like the mall could not be considered a "school." It sounds like Simon is putting to use some space that might otherwise go unleased. (They can probably write off the FMV of the space.)

From here:
http://www.myips.org/site/default.a...C2A&RenderLoc=0&FlexDataID=12133&PageID=32237

Career Technology Center/Simon Youth Foundation

Commissioners also approved an exciting new partnership with the Simon Youth Foundation to create a school in Circle Centre Mall. This state-of-the-art site will be a Simon Youth Academy operated and staffed by IPS. Under the guidance of the Career Technology Center, high school students will have the opportunity to participate in an engaging non-traditional school model with an emphasis on work-based learning and career readiness.

It doesn't say "leased." Just "operated and staffed."

It is also not listed in the "schools" list on the ips website.

This is a repository of IPS docs:
BoardDocs® Pro

Search for "simon" and there is an MOU that has the following language:

WHEREAS, SYF will cover the cost of construction, rental costs for the space for the school, the cost of staff development and training and certain other expenses as outlined in the attached agreement; and
WHEREAS, IPS will assume all expenses and responsibility associated with staffing, managing, and operating SYF academy;

The attachment doesn't show up, but it doesn't look like IPS has any property interest in the "school" part of the mall.

 

[eldirector]

Simon Youth Academies:
Simon Youth Foundation (SYF) ? Academies

is an extension of the local systems.

IPS Career Technology Center website:
IPS Career Technology Center / Homepage
and the Simon Youth Center:
Simon Youth Academy at Circle Centre / Home

Most certainly an IPS facility.

 

[jamil]

 

[T.Lex]

Most certainly an IPS facility.

Defined how?

"Operated and staffed" does not equate to ownership, or even a leasehold.

 

[printcraft]

Didn't the wandering school clause get dialed back?

 

[LastShot123]

Yeah, anybody selling liquor or "adult" items on "school property" now?

Good point

 

[Denny347]

Soooooo......no more CC in there, right? Thanks simon. New high school opens inside Circle Centre Mall | WISH-TV

Just don't enter the school and you'll be fine.

 

[eldirector]

Hmmmm...this IS interesting.

Found their agreement:
http://www.boarddocs.com/in/indps/B.../$file/MOU - IPS - Circle Centre 03202015.pdf

Exhibit D, on page D2, the Simon Youth Foundation is responsible for the rent.

So, IPS does not rent, and does not own, that space.

Now, what this agreement would actually be called, I have no idea. If you rent something and then let someone else use it, what is THAT called? Rent? Sub-lease?

As far as IPS is concerned (and yes, I know that doesn't make it law) this is the same as their other agreements with Simon where they actually pay rent. It is just that someone else is paying it for them.

Once again, this law is simply silly.

 

[seedubs1]

Where is Kirk?

 

[jamil]

Where is Kirk?

Where is Xur?