Saw a man smoke a $500 cigarette

[Drunken Yak inc]

OK, I'll bite..Why the Heck not? Should we not bring our kids to the 1500 either? The way I see it, I am going to educate my kids on all aspects of firearms, and shopping for guns is one of those aspects.

I'm all for taking a kid in with you, there is a lot they can learn from the experience... However, what could a 13 month old infant learn from the experience???

 

[littletommy]

I don't smoke anymore, and when I did I didn't smoke in my home, just didn't like the smell in the house, that being said, it's kinda funny that about the only other thing besides OCing that some people feel is acceptable to publicly berate other people about is smoking. And it's even funnier that people on a GUN forum do it! I think this is one of the misguided crusades that have our country so screwed up. Yeah yeah yeah, smoking is bad and all that, so let's make social outcasts out of all the smokers, that'll help.

I don't particularly want to smell cig smoke, but I damn sure wouldn't blow a good deal on a gun over it. People just need to get a grip.

 

[jeremy]

You are free to shop where you would like.
If you don't like the environment, don't go in.
He may have second thoughts about the conversation.
But....
More than likely he will handle it like me.

I do have to say, being a business owner, that if a customer came
in and gave me a "talking to" about what they think I should be doing in my business,
(MY business that I work my ass off and am totally responsible for)
I would show them the door before they had a chance to finish.
But, I'm kind of like that I guess.

Nothing like a sanctimonious Nancy Boy telling you how you should be doing it is there...

 

[stephen87]

You are free to shop where you would like.
If you don't like the environment, don't go in.
He may have second thoughts about the conversation.
But....
More than likely he will handle it like me.

I do have to say, being a business owner, that if a customer came
in and gave me a "talking to" about what they think I should be doing in my business,
(MY business that I work my ass off and am totally responsible for)
I would show them the door before they had a chance to finish.
But, I'm kind of like that I guess.

Just curious, but if someone like this gentleman, came up and asked you politely if you could wait to light the cigarette, if you smoke, until the child and himself were done with the purchase and out of the store, would you still escort them out? Would you light up anyway? Would you wait for them to leave? Not trying to start anything, but that makes for a good experience and warrants a return to buy again in my eyes.

 

[bingley]

I was disappointed by the story. I thought someone found some amazing cigarette, perhaps from the secret stash of Geronimo himself.

I'm not sure why the incident is worth debating. The store owner adhered by his rules, the customer by his. No one did anything illegal.

Da Bing

 

[85t5mcss]

Just curious, but if someone like this gentleman, came up and asked you politely if you could wait to light the cigarette, if you smoke, until the child and himself were done with the purchase and out of the store, would you still escort them out? Would you light up anyway? Would you wait for them to leave? Not trying to start anything, but that makes for a good experience and warrants a return to buy again in my eyes.

I'm not sure why the incident is worth debating. The store owner adhered by his rules, the customer by his. No one did anything illegal.

I wouldtry to comply with the non-smoker's wishes when possible and if it fits my needs as well. Why? Respect for others. Respect me,get respect.

 

[Dead Duck]

Cool! A Smoking -vs- NonSmoking Thread.



Mom - Hurry Up. It Already Started.

 

[ralphb72]

I agree with someone else who said there are plenty of shops around that you can patronize to keep the money local.

I have taken my kids to Wullfs with me a few times. Never had a problem there with anyone there, but I keep them in sight while I'm there, try to keep it short, and if I'm seriously shopping to buy, I leave them at home.

 

[Concerned Citizen]

Nothing like a sanctimonious Nancy Boy telling you how you should be doing it is there...

I've owned my own business for over 20 years now. This is how I see it;
If I have a customer that politely tells me I'm offending him, I will take it under consideration. I will also take under consideration their request, their attitude, what the value of their transaction is with me, & what my profit level on this transaction is.

However, that's not the only thing I take into consideration. One of the biggest things I look at, is my 'gut feeling' about this customer. My morals are more important than anything. Keep in mind, I'm not a retail operation, I run a design-build firm. Each customer might give me a fee of $20-50K. I will walk away from a customer if I don't have a good feeling about them. Some of the best jobs I've had are the ones I've walked away from.

The point of my story is, I don't care if you are the customer or the merchant, you have to evaluate the relationship of your business transaction, and decide whether or not you want to complete that transaction. It doesn't matter if that is a $20.00 transaction, or a $20K transaction, it still has the same consideartions for both sides.

So, to the OP, I salute you in taking a stand and not being a "nancy-boy", when it comes to your buying decisions.

 

[Chefcook]

I know of a shop where smoking is allowed I imagine that is the shop mentioned here. I love that place before I moved to the west side I shopped there all the time...

 

[cowgirl.sdm]

I'm all for taking a kid in with you, there is a lot they can learn from the experience... However, what could a 13 month old infant learn from the experience???

Actually people that study children have learn that children learn the most and best in the first 5 years of their life.

 

[Dead Duck]

Actually people that study children have learn that children learn the most and best in the first 5 years of their life.

She's absolutely right, that's all I do remember.

 

[Pyriel]

Aside from the obvious health factor, cigarettes usually smell disgusting to non smokers, and I personally wouldn't want to take anything home that's been sitting in a smoke filled shop. Since I personally don't care for cigarette smoke, I tend to avoid places where it's present, but I never complain to a stranger about it unless I'm forced to be near them.

 

[Andy219]

Wow, all the smoking talk made me light up a Marlboro.

 

[printcraft]

Just curious, but if someone like this gentleman, came up and asked you politely if you could wait to light the cigarette, if you smoke, until the child and himself were done with the purchase and out of the store, would you still escort them out? Would you light up anyway? Would you wait for them to leave? Not trying to start anything, but that makes for a good experience and warrants a return to buy again in my eyes.

I don't go about making demands on ANY business I frequent.
I will not capitulate to off the cuff demands on my person either.

I would thank him for his suggestion and proceed with whatever I deemed necessary at the time.

Well, I know it may be counterintuitive to common logic but you don't
want everycustomer. You have grades of customers, A, B, C etc.

Some are perfect to deal with, some take extra care and time but are worth it....
some you cannot reach no matter what you do and over the long run
actually cost you money.

Why start a bad trend on allowing a customer to run your life and your business?
"Well, they pay the bills."
Yeah, I understand that but you cannot let money be used as a club to beat you into submission.



"I don't like the fact that you have an American flag on your front door printcraft,
could you take it down as to not offend me?"

"I don't like that fact that you open at 9 a.m., you should open at
8:00 a.m., that would be more convenient for me, I'll see you here
tomorrow."

 

[Bartman]

Unless prohibited by law, the owner has a right to smoke in his own shop if he wants.

Anyone who doesn't care for it has a right to take their business elsewhere.

It's simple economics, if he can retain enough customers to make a profit doing whatever he wants then all is right with the world. If enough of his customers decide to shop online or at another store to avoid the smoke in his shop, then he goes out of business, and he has no one to blame but himself.

Everyone can make up their own minds what to do.

 

[singlesix]

Aside from the obvious health factor, cigarettes usually smell disgusting to non smokers, and I personally wouldn't want to take anything home that's been sitting in a smoke filled shop. Since I personally don't care for cigarette smoke, I tend to avoid places where it's present, but I never complain to a stranger about it unless I'm forced to be near them.

Little Hoppes NO 9 will take care of the smoke smell

 

[LEaSH]

In my (imaginary) shop, all patrons are required to smoke.

"Cigar, cigarette, or pipe. Is that a clove? Well then, GTFO."

 

[jsharmon7]

Store owner lost a sale and will continue to run his business as he sees fit. Hoosierdoc did what he thought was in the best interest of his child and spent his money elsewhere. Given that we have quite a few gun store owners/employees on this forum, I can understand why he decided to post his experience. Why does anyone have a problem with this situation?

 

[Jeremiah]

I'm not naming names since He didn't do anything wrong, but just an odd way to run a business in today's environment.

I'll now spend money at Bud's and not keep the $$ local. Oh well, I tried.

Well I don't give a south bound end of a north bound rat where you spend your money, buying local for the sake of buying local helps nothing. you buy local or you don't as comparative advantage presents itself. right now going to Bradis for an FNP or 21st century for a glock 19 is pretty much the best place to buy. anything else is silly. (/rant on nationalism)


as far as "today's enviroment" is concerned, it sounds as if you think that the public cart blanc supports smoking bans. furthermore it sounds as if you think government control of business is a good thing. I also gather that you probably gravitate towards the "greater good" arguments, in which case you are probably close to an idiot. Very few if any gun stores would be in business if it weren't for FFL paper work requirements. If guns could be sold and shipped directly to your home only those stores that offered something other than a conduit for government compliance would exist. This places would be ranges, custom shops, etc. It saddens me that we breath the same air, becuase what I said probably just went over your head. I may go burn a whole pack of cigarettes ( as I don't smoke) just to provide some plant with some food. ( yes plants feed of C02, hence many global warming "facts" that EVERYBODY knows are also suspect, just like in today's environment everybody's is against smoking in public)