Saiga the new cult following around here?

[localone]

Here is the retracted view

 

[rooster007]

BIG QUESTION

Folks I need someone to answer this question for me . What is the difference legally between a Stryker/Streetsweeper , AA12 and a Saiga ?

Back in the day I bought a Streetsweeper/Stryker from Gary Shoe over at Shoe's Gun Rack off of 10th St. for $315.00 , had it for about 4 or 5 years??? and got a letter from the ATF stating that I had to transfer it or DD it . Now a Saiga has a removable mag , 10 shot, you can get a 25 rnd drum , and I think a 50 rnd drum ( if I'm wrong please don't bash me , I'm not that stabile) . I've shot a Tromix conversion and a regular 19 in. Saiga , which I think is by far superior to the gun I had . I would like to buy a tromix lead slinger or just get a SAIGA and do the pistol grip , folder conversion myself. They class 3 'ed the Sweeper, what keeps them from doing the same to the Saiga (other than retarded politicians??????? )

 

[localone]

I heard they were tring to ban the S12 and deem it a weapon of mass distruction...According to a man in the gun store

 

[rooster007]

Chaos use to make these porky pine retractable bayonets for the s12

How many Hot Dogs can you get on that . I think I saw one of those over at the local Tattoo / Prieceing Shop

 

[localone]

only six they are stainless and clean up pretty easy

 

[shooter521]

What is the difference legally between a Stryker/Streetsweeper , AA12 and a Saiga

The Striker-12 and Street Sweeper are both NFA weapons (now), being classified as Destructive Devices in the early 1990s. The AA-12 is a select-fire weapon introduced after 1986 (post-86 dealer sample), and thus is not legal for the average citizen to own. The Saiga-12 is a semi-automatic sporting shotgun built in Russia and legally imported into the US.

Now a Saiga has a removable mag , 10 shot, you can get a 25 rnd drum , and I think a 50 rnd drum ( if I'm wrong please don't bash me

Biggest drum available for the Saiga-12 is the Alliance Armament 30-round steel drum. Big, bulky, heavy, and unreliable. There are also drums by MD Arms and Promag that hold 20, and a Promag compact drum that holds 12. Box mags are available in 12, 10, 8, 6, 5 and 2-round capacities from various manufacturers.

They class 3 'ed the Sweeper, what keeps them from doing the same to the Saiga (other than retarded politicians??????? )

The ruling that changed the status of the Striker-12, Street Sweeper and USAS-12 was made under a vastly different political climate than what exists today. Also, all three guns were domestically produced variants of foreign designs that had previously been deemed unimportable by the ATF. In making their ruling, ATF considered a number of factors besides just magazine capacity, including overall dimensions, weight/bulk, and "suitability for sporting purposes".

The Saigas have an advantage in that they were approved for importation with the ability to accept a detachable box magazine (although nothing over 5 rounds is allowed in the gun in its stock configuration). If you alter the gun so that it complies with 922(r), thus making it "domestically built" in the eyes of the law, you can use a magazine of any capacity you want.

Theoretically, ATF could unilaterally issue a ruling to reclassify the Saiga-12 (or more likely, the combination of Saiga-12 + drum magazine) as a Destructive Device. People have been warning that would happen since the very first 10-round box magazine was introduced by AGP Arms years ago, and it hasn't yet. The longer we go, and the more Saiga-12s are legally imported, the harder that genie's going to be to put back in the bottle.

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[BaconGrease]

or just get a SAIGA and do the pistol grip , folder conversion myself.

Do this. You will be glad that you did and proud of your accomplishment.

PS. I like your avatar. Dueling banjos from Deliverance.

 

[Juggernaut]

As far as DD, there is something to do with the street sweeper being integrated/ nondetachable as an issue... as far as the USAS-12, I have no idea...
If anything, the drums themselves would be declared DD...
(At least that is the "quick and dirty" opinion of the past five years on the Saiga board...)

 

[rooster007]

THANKS 521

I knew I could get a logical answer

 

[rooster007]

ONE MORE QUESTION

Not trying to highjack the thread but ?????? Mossberg 930(no detactable) or Saiga (detactable) please chime in

 

[vitamink]

If you're asking what to buy, buy the saiga. For those who asked about the chaos extended quad rail, yes, you have to remove the rear sight. Just use a punch and hammer and it'll come out. Mine still didn't fit correctly so i had to take the dremel to the inside of the chaos rail to fit over the rear sight grove thing. Alls good in my hood now. I ordered the extended quad before cameron made his rail mounted hk sights. I plan on buying some and using them. Currently i have some magpul mbus sights on it and they work fine.

 

[E'villeGunner]

"Converting" a Saiga involves changing the stock Saiga from it's sporterized version to a proper AK style, i.e. the trigger group is moved forward to where it's behind the mag. release whereby you can add a pistol grip configuration. Oh, yes, you have to use U.S. made parts to do this until its 922r compliant.
I have two of them, one is a converted Saiga in .308 and the other is a Saiga 7.62x39 in its original state. Most if not all the new Saiga's that I have seen all have black stocks. I can't bring myself to do away with the wood, it's too purty.

I just finished putting approx. 100 rounds through the .308 and 200 rounds through the 7.62x39. I like shooting the 7.62, less kick, but the .308 has the coolness factor which I like. Finished my day on the farm with shooting at some Tannerite exploding targets. What a BLAST! No pun intended.

 

[Kelevra TAR-21]

I'd still love my Saiga ! I converted it with my own two hands.

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Yes, but the Saiga is like the ugly wife you leave at home to clean the house and the AA-12 is the trophy wife you show around town..

 

[JJGatesE30]

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Yes, but the Saiga is like the ugly wife you leave at home to clean the house and the AA-12 is the trophy wife you show around town..

You from Utah?

 

[Kelevra TAR-21]

You from Utah?

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I'm from Kendaltuckey. Where everyone is related to each other in some form or another.

 

[Clay]

Can you confirm or deny that the rear sight needs to be removed to mount the Chaos Extended rail? I just ordered one too!

Yes, the rear sight has to be driven out. Mine was in there VERY well.

But the chaos rail looks cool and works well.

Another cool bit about Chaos is they are in Evansville!

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

Yes, the rear sight has to be driven out. Mine was in there VERY well.

But the chaos rail looks cool and works well.

Another cool bit about Chaos is they are in Evansville!

Very cool... and they're not INGOer's????

Granted, INGO's got a more family friendly tone than forum.Saiga12...

 

[Prometheus]

Well Sir, If we could get the AA-12 at any sort of reasonable price you would never hear the word Saiga again.

Fixed it for you.

The price of the Saiga would make it much more popular.

I have a feeling we'd have seen the same fervor over the FN PS90 as well if it was priced like Nornico 320, lol.

That said, I need to convert my S-12

 

[Juggernaut]

Saiga flat outperforms the USAS-12.....
No matter how mush money is spent...


I already got a hot (Trophy) wife... and I already have the most effective, reliable fighting shotgun in the world!!!

 

[ayerskw]

Does anyone have a picture they can post of one?

Never mind - just saw the bottom of the string...