Russian ground troops and MIGs in Syria.

[9mmfan]

The only way to do it would be WW 2 style. The problem then would us having to battle Russia.
A classic no win situation.

 

[halfmileharry]

The only way to do it would be WW 2 style. The problem then would us having to battle Russia.
A classic no win situation.

Lets look at the population of the country. Syrian rebels, Syrian Troops, and civilians all look alike except for some cloth. That cloth is removable as was done in Iraq.
Even with out military in charge of troops now it's a task that you can't complete without destroying civilians as well.
Now, IF we throw out morality and kill everything your method should work IF you kill everyone.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Some talk of the attack being discussed by journalists on the ground prior to it happening, and videos of the kids moving around just fine... possibly some propped up as propaganda.

**** like this is ripe for false attack justification, staging injuries or deaths to make it look like Assad's regime did it. Is Trump and his administration looking for a conflict? Is Russia encouraging it?

 

[KellyinAvon]

I'm sure Russia would love for us to scare Assad out of Syria so he can go into safe exile in Russia... and Russia can install a new puppet.

This is one of the biggest problems we face. Are we trading one thug for another? In 2004 when the purple fingers meant you voted in Iraq I said anyone who risks their life to vote is worth fighting for. 13 years later I don't if I have the same view, especially in Syria. Who are we going to fight and who are we siding with? Are we going to be providing humanitarian relief with some of the same actors we are fighting?

I am not in favor of civilians including children being killed wholesale with Sarin, but this makes Vietnam look like Panama. Does Syria have a bench? Is there anyone who could be in charge and not be doing the same crap as Assad or isn't a Sunni/Shia wanting to kill all of those he ain't!

 

[KellyinAvon]

Some talk of the attack being discussed by journalists on the ground prior to it happening, and videos of the kids moving around just fine... possibly some propped up as propaganda.

**** like this is ripe for false attack justification, staging injuries or deaths to make it look like Assad's regime did it. Is Trump and his administration looking for a conflict? Is Russia encouraging it?

Didn't we see that in Egypt? Same woman crying 200 miles apart? Also, no one fakes nerve gas exposure. Involuntary muscle twitching is hard to fake.

 

[gregr]

Yeah, I agree. The Middle East needs to be left alone, we need to produce our own oil, and let them know that we will leave them alone, but if they screw with us we will find them and kill them....by any means possible. If they screw with us, then kill them. This is not crazy, this is the creed by which these people over there live. I think they would respect that, and if not, they had better believe it. Just my personal opinion.

We do not live in a vacuum...as painful as it will be, someone has to do something, and we are that someone. Did we learn nothing from the destruction that Nazi Germany caused the world?

 

[T.Lex]

In this day and age, there are more options than full scale war. I'm concerned that a heavy-handed administration so light on foreign affairs experience will not realize the nuances available.

 

[SEIndSAM]

And does anyone have a plan about the future. If we get involved and take Assad out, who replaces him?? Iran would simply slide in there and we would have Iran Part II. And just a stones throw from Israeli borders.
The guy is definitely a bad guy, but what if the replacement is worse?

And I disagree that WE have to do something about it. We have not had much luck with regime change in that part of the world. We need to just stay out of it.

 

[T.Lex]

And does anyone have a plan about the future. If we get involved and take Assad out, who replaces him?? Iran would simply slide in there and we would have Iran Part II. And just a stones throw from Israeli borders.
The guy is definitely a bad guy, but what if the replacement is worse?

And I disagree that WE have to do something about it. We have not had much luck with regime change in that part of the world. We need to just stay out of it.

Well, I think our regime change efforts have generally been more successful (a loaded word, depending on chosen metric, of course) than leave-it-alone efforts. And, at this point, a stable Iran (who has had its own clashes with Daesh) influencing a modestly stable Syria might not be bad.

Yeah, there are alot of things to work out, and I'm not advocating any one approach, but I think we should take a more active role. So yeah, I'm advocating against doing nothing, I guess.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Can't recall if Jamil peruses this thread... and haven't seen Kut in a while...

It was common to say Clinton would start WW3. But now that it seems Trump is leaning that way with possibly intervening in Syria... Would this be considered Bad Trump?

 

[halfmileharry]

I still say give Russia another Afghanistan and WE keep the heck out of it.
Why would we sacrifice more of our youth for an unwinnable cause.
These wars will continue with or without our intervention

 

[BugI02]

Ehhh.... when a government is allegedly gassing it's people, that's a problem. It may be a delicate situation, but it does need to be dealt with by someone. Right now it seems like everyone is standing around waiting for the other guy to go in and fix it.

I know it's not our job, but sometimes it's the right thing to do. Just my opinion.

The 2013 Trump (in the tweet) is still correct. Not only is it not our job, if the mission is to fix it - there is no rational plan that can achieve that result. The right thing to do is waste no more blood and treasure on a region that only stops trying to kill us when they're busy trying to kill each other. Cage match, stay out of it

No good deed goes unpunished.
Look at our history in the area helping out and arming countries. We're 0-4 except for Israel.
We're better off doing the behind the scenes covert nasties and retaliate that way. The US hasn't shown the capacity to actually win in that theater of operations so far. IF we do win then what the hell are we going to do with the place? Give it back to the next mass murderer with a different name. We're going to fight a culture that knows no compassion ON EITHER SIDE.
I don't think the US Population will tolerate the destruction it will take to take down Assad.

^^This^^^^^^. The voices that will be crying the loudest that we need to right this wrong won't go within a hundred miles of a recruiter, either

"Let's have a war so you can go die" - Fear, Let's Have a War

 

[BugI02]

Ehhh.... when a government is allegedly gassing it's people, that's a problem. It may be a delicate situation, but it does need to be dealt with by someone. Right now it seems like everyone is standing around waiting for the other guy to go in and fix it.

I know it's not our job, but sometimes it's the right thing to do. Just my opinion.

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Some talk of the attack being discussed by journalists on the ground prior to it happening, and videos of the kids moving around just fine... possibly some propped up as propaganda.

**** like this is ripe for false attack justification, staging injuries or deaths to make it look like Assad's regime did it. Is Trump and his administration looking for a conflict? Is Russia encouraging it?

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[KellyinAvon]

BREAKING NEWS! Tomahawk cruise missiles launched at Syrian Air Bases holding chemical weapons.

 

[K_W]

BREAKING NEWS! Tomahawk cruise missiles launched at Syrian Air Bases holding chemical weapons.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...89-us-launches-cruise-missles-into-syria.html

 

[Hoosierkav]

Our radar systems are good enough to detect (a few) bombs being dropped? This isn't like WWII with scores of bombers turning the sky to night with hundreds upon hundreds of bombs dropping... ?

 

[BugI02]

We have certain radars that can track individual artillery shells back to the source. The a/c making this attack would not have cruised over at altitude and dropped bombs like a B29. The profile flown would have been indicative of a bombing attack, and I would bet you everything in the air anywhere near our own troops is tracked 24/7 from rise above the radars horizon until return to base. I have no doubt we knew where the a/c originated, what type of a/c they were and quite possibly who was flying them (ELINT)

 

[T.Lex]

Yeah, not really that hard to figure out, especially with as much time spent on deconfliction in the area. If they knew when/where the bombs were dropped, they can figure out where the sorties came from.

Smart to notify the Russians of the attack, so they could get their people busy selling replacements to the Syrians....

 

[T.Lex]

'Israeli jets hit Syria's Masyaf chemical site' - reports - BBC News

BBC reminds us that, despite hurricanes and Nork nukes, the Middle East is still a deadly complicated place.

 

[T.Lex]

Russia says that its time to shut down inquiry into Syrian chemical weapons use.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41740432