Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Jaybird1980]

I have yet to figure out how any of this bull**** is our issue.

obiden should do the world a favor and expedite his departure to Hell.

See post #2 for the reason.


Russia Russia Russia.

 

[BigRed]

Oh, well, never mind then, all is well...

Try, Try Again: Kamala Harris to Take Lead on Ukraine

Despite no meaningful progress in her previous assignments, the White House is dispatching Vice President Kamala Harris to Europe to lead the response to the Ukraine crisis.

www.newsmax.com

Well, the ***** has done so well on the border for which the central state is actually responsible.

 

[BigRed]

See post #2 for the reason.


Russia Russia Russia.

Yep.... The Hell with these worthless pieces of ****.

 

[ditcherman]

More than a dozen Russian tanks stuck in the mud during military drills - News7F

More than a dozen main battle tanks were stuck in deep mud during drills led by the Russian military in the south of the country.

news7f.com

That’s about as much no fun as someone can have.

 

[1DOWN4UP]

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[ditcherman]

Didn’t watch the whole things so maybe they end differently than they begin.

I’m the first one to proclaim the factor of defending your homeland is huge.

But there’s no way this ends well.

They are pointing their cardboard cutouts at each other at alarming rate, and that is saying something coming from me.
They have no idea what is about to run over them, if Putin actually decides too.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Hopefully our special forces have had some success in laying down a cadre for resistance there.

 

[ditcherman]

Hopefully our special forces have had some success in laying down a cadre for resistance there.

“Taliban army” comes to mind.
SSS. Sorry so synical.

 

[DadSmith]

I'm glad they are willing to fight especially the civilians. They will die by the thousands but at least they are determined to fight now. Good on them.

 

[Ark]

I honestly don't think wooden prop guns are that bad of an idea for basic training of utterly new people who have probably never handled a gun before. You don't need real guns to do basic infantry drills, formations, practicing movement and communication, or simply learning how to move around without flagging each other.

But the hard fact is these people are ground meat against a mechanized unit of the Russian army. They probably wouldn't live long enough to even see the enemy before they got greased by armor or air support.

 

[ditcherman]

I honestly don't think wooden prop guns are that bad of an idea for basic training of utterly new people who have probably never handled a gun before. You don't need real guns to do basic infantry drills, formations, practicing movement and communication, or simply learning how to move around without flagging each other.

But the hard fact is these people are ground meat against a mechanized unit of the Russian army. They probably wouldn't live long enough to even see the enemy before they got greased by armor or air support.

Totally agree here, and there’s probably good reason to not use live weapons and live ammo; they need both along with all the people left alive that they can get.

In just the parts of the vids I watched they were doing drills that were completely and repeatedly flagging each other, so not sure they’re even trying.

 

[rosejm]

I suppose that I can hope these videos/images of training the populace are striking a chord with the rest of us.

Don't wait until the enemy is at your door to train up your family/friends/neighbors. Training takes time and repetition.
START EARLY AND OFTEN.

 

[Ark]

Totally agree here, and there’s probably good reason to not use live weapons and live ammo; they need both along with all the people left alive that they can get.

In just the parts of the vids I watched they were doing drills that were completely and repeatedly flagging each other, so not sure they’re even trying.

Looked like they were practicing some super basic stuff in a line. I wouldn't really count that as flagging, not at the "let's talk about just freaking holding it" stage. But it doesn't look like how an American advisor would run things, at least by my guess.

Were I personally in charge of planning, I'd be more focused on doing familiarization with these people, getting weapons into their hands, and then shredding all militia/reserve records and telling those people to stash their guns and hunker down. They won't do any good getting slaughtered out in the Ukrainian countryside. Have them play submissive civilian and let the Russians roll by until it's time to start shooting the Russian rear echelons and support troops in the back.

 

[ditcherman]

Looked like they were practicing some super basic stuff in a line. I wouldn't really count that as flagging, not at the "let's talk about just freaking holding it" stage. But it doesn't look like how an American advisor would run things, at least by my guess.

Were I personally in charge of planning, I'd be more focused on doing familiarization with these people, getting weapons into their hands, and then shredding all militia/reserve records and telling those people to stash their guns and hunker down. They won't do any good getting slaughtered out in the Ukrainian countryside. Have them play submissive civilian and let the Russians roll by until it's time to start shooting the Russian rear echelons and support troops in the back.

In the middle video that bw posted there are 2 lines of people, they flag front to back, side to side, all the ways from my vantage point.
But I agree with you in general.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Looked like they were practicing some super basic stuff in a line. I wouldn't really count that as flagging, not at the "let's talk about just freaking holding it" stage. But it doesn't look like how an American advisor would run things, at least by my guess.

Were I personally in charge of planning, I'd be more focused on doing familiarization with these people, getting weapons into their hands, and then shredding all militia/reserve records and telling those people to stash their guns and hunker down. They won't do any good getting slaughtered out in the Ukrainian countryside. Have them play submissive civilian and let the Russians roll by until it's time to start shooting the Russian rear echelons and support troops in the back.

I think Sun Tzu would approve of this strategy.

 

[gregr]

I have yet to figure out how any of this bull**** is our issue.

obiden should do the world a favor and expedite his departure to Hell.

We don`t live in a vacuum my friend. If we ignore the plight of our friends and potential friends and ally's, we`ll shortly find ourselves surrounded by despots, tyrants, and mad men who mean to do us harm.

 

[bwframe]

I honestly don't think wooden prop guns are that bad of an idea for basic training of utterly new people who have probably never handled a gun before. You don't need real guns to do basic infantry drills, formations, practicing movement and communication, or simply learning how to move around without flagging each other.

But the hard fact is these people are ground meat against a mechanized unit of the Russian army. They probably wouldn't live long enough to even see the enemy before they got greased by armor or air support.

It's a brilliant idea. As is putting out the video many days in advance. Show's Vlad (and the rest of the world,) who he will be killing, when the invasion happens. Hearts and minds...

They show women and kids training to fight, so that they'll know what to do with the weapons picked up off the ground. Right out of Afghanistan in the 80's. Remember who won that one?

Kelly's right about Sun Tsu.

 

[Onebad06vtx]

Nothing is going to happen,Bidenlester put Putin in his place! lmao
I mean come on man,Biden even gets dead people to vote for him.

 

[Ark]

It's a brilliant idea. As is putting out the video many days in advance. Show's Vlad (and the rest of the world,) who he will be killing, when the invasion happens. Hearts and minds...

They show women and kids training to fight, so that they'll know what to do with the weapons picked up off the ground. Right out of Afghanistan in the 80's. Remember who won that one?

Kelly's right about Sun Tsu.

Not that they wouldn't still...mostly get slaughtered. The Russians have lots of practice with insurgencies and they legitimately do not give a crap about slaughtering people who look like them and speak their language. But they'd still fare better than getting eaten alive by the mechanized, combined arms spearhead of an invasion. That job is for the trained army guys equipped with Javelins and modern comms and a couple years experience fighting in the east of the country already.

There is still reason to hope none of this happens. If nothing else, it's been too long in the works and too obviously telegraphed. The Russians are cleverer than this. I want to believe that if they actually intended an invasion, they would engage in enough misdirection and subterfuge that our media (who are, in fact, the dumbest people alive) would be caught completely off guard rather than hyping it up for weeks on end. Eastern Ukraine is not valuable like Crimea is. Russia's interest is avoiding a NATO partner or EU member parked on their border and filled up with missiles.

But one way or another Russia is not going to let that happen. It would be like America letting Canada join the Warsaw Pact 40 years ago.